Discussion:
The 4 Horsemen of the Apocalypse
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Rob
2007-07-13 06:05:37 UTC
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Before YOU can understand the TRUTH of the Bible Prophecies, which
take up 2/3 of it, or anything similarly complex, you have to decide
to be TOTALLY objective and analytical about the FACTS presented and
not distracted by irrelevant "clap-trap" from organised religions and
"holier than thou" theories. The Bible itself warns you NOT to be led
by the "blind guides" of Organised Religions and politics (Isaiah 3 v
12-15) (Matt. 23 v 13, 16 & 24).

Like reading "blue-prints" or "electrical circuit-diagrams" there is
some learning to be done & fortunately the instruction for this is in
the Bible, and, as you might expect, some of it is coded to stop
idiots interfering with the meaning. So it is IMPERATIVE to get the
BEST translation - the new "King of kings' Bible" by JAH - Authorised
by God; or use the previous best - the king James 1611 original,
which
is the only human-kingly Authorised Version and not modernised
Satanically corrupted translations done by successive churches.


Let's take a look at some of the codes to get you started, so you may
agree when you look up the chapter and verse, if you care to check it
out.


SUN - The Throne of David - (Psalm 89 v 36) - which is the British
Throne. The "Stone of Scone" is Jacob's Pillar and Israel's Throne of
David.


MOON - Reflects the light of the SUN. The SUN is the British Throne
and the "Commonwealth" reflects her light and power (like the moon
does to the sun).


STARS of heaven - U.S.A. (50 on their flag, "STAR spangled banner"
etc.)


HEAVENS - Political systems (above the mountains).


MOUNTAIN - Government - (Micah 4 v 1).


EARTH - Downtrodden people (oppressed and poor).


EARTH-QUAKE - Great upheaval of the EARTH (as above).


SEA - Restless, moving people who are not as oppressed and are free
to
move around (Psalm 65 v 6,7).


WATERS - Peoples, multitudes, nations and tongues (languages)
(Apocalypse/Revelation 17 v 15).


HORN - kingdom


UNICORN - Unique horn - "One Kingdom, world without end" - God's
Kingdom on Earth - soon.


OLIVE - The "House of Israel" - (people not country)


FIG tree - Jews (Matt. 21 v 20), Christ cursing Judaism for ever in
verse 19.


DAY - Year in prophecy (Ezekiel 4 v 6) (Revelation 9 v 5).


MONTH - 30 years in prophecy (Rev. 11 v 2,3 - 42 x 30 = 1260).


SEVEN - The number of completeness in Scripture.


You need to use your common-sense to see what is logical and sensible
and whether the words are to be interpreted in their normal way or in
God's code. A perfect example of this is when Christ said, "IF, you
have enough faith and you say to this mountain, fall into the sea and
it will (Matt. 21 v 21)", it obviously did not mean an actual
mountain
and the sea. It was coded. It is obviously possible for God to cast a
mountain into the sea but why should He want to destroy a beautiful
mountain that He Himself has created? It means government (mountain)
and restless dis-satisfied people (sea).


Think about it. A mountain (govt.) towers over and looks down upon
the
sea (people) and the sea looks up at the mountain. The sea (people)
cannot remove the mountain (govt.) without a tidal-wave. IF you have
enough faith and tell the people the TRUTH of God's Perfect System of
Government and Laws, you can create that tidal-wave with God's help,
for everyone's benefit. SIMPLE.


Now you can start to decode the Prophecies and understand some of
them. You cannot decode all of them because God says so, in many
places e.g. Daniel was told that the words of one Prophecy were
sealed
until the time of the end (Daniel 12 v 9). Apocalypse/Revelation
chapter 5 tells you that the Book (Bible Prophecy) given to John was
sealed with 7 seals. That means completely sealed, because 7 is the
number of completeness in Scripture:- 7 days of creation; 7
millennia;
7 churches; etc.


The COMMANDments; Laws; Statutes; Judgements; Economic Policy;
Agricultural Policy and Diet are all written in "plain language" for
EVERYONE to understand and Live by, but the Prophecies are written in
code.


The Prophecies are written in code for two good reasons:-


1. They were not meant to be understood at the wrong time, i.e. the
majority were not meant to be understood by the people of the time
when they were written. They were meant for the future, sometimes a
few, sometimes hundreds and sometimes thousands of years in the
future. The last ones are still being fulfilled, today.


2. The Prophecies warn of what is going to happen to the rich rulers
of the Earth, and the Churches, who have worked with the rich to keep
the masses in the dark; down and poor, by helping the rich to hide
God's PERFECT Laws and substitute the rich people's oppressive and
illegal laws.


The rich rulers set the curriculum in their schools and control all
knowledge given to the people so that they can control their minds
and
enslave them. If they could understand what the Bible says about them
and how evil they are, they would have destroyed the Bible.


God, knowing ALL things and ALL people, knew this and so wrote the
Bible Prophecies in code, to protect them from destruction by our
rich
and evil rulers.


Harsh description? But in God's eyes, according to His Bible, very
TRUE.


THE FOUR HORSEMEN OF THE
APOCALYPSE


REVELATION Chapter 6


"And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a
BOW; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering,
and
to conquer."


The white horse represents the horse upon which God's Witness (Rev.
19
v 11 & 1 v 5) (Isaiah 43 v 12) rides, as in Revelation 19 v 11.


The TRUE Israel People have, on their "Coat of Arms", a lion and a
unicorn which is shown as a white horse with one horn. The lion is
the
main emblem of the two-tribed "House of Judah" and the unicorn is the
main emblem of the ten-tribed "House of Israel".


The "Coat of Arms" is therefore the rightful property of the 12
tribes
of ISRAEL and Christ their KING. The word British is Hebrew meaning
"the People of the Covenant" (Israel).


to continue, please see http://jahtruth.net/horse.htm
Mikal119
2007-07-13 06:40:03 UTC
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Post by Rob
Before YOU can understand the TRUTH of the Bible Prophecies, which
take up 2/3 of it, or anything similarly complex, you have to decide
to be TOTALLY objective and analytical about the FACTS presented and
not distracted by irrelevant "clap-trap" from organised religions and
"holier than thou" theories. The Bible itself warns you NOT to be led
by the "blind guides" of Organised Religions and politics (Isaiah 3 v
12-15) (Matt. 23 v 13, 16 & 24).
<snip the blind guide itself>
Post by Rob
to continue, please see/websiteinsteadoflivingwitnesses
The US is the biblical Judah, and not just because there are more jews
here than anywhere.Ezekiel 37 was fulfilled literally with modern
events in America.Other places are *joined* with Judah.
You need to get your facts from the source.Why not directly ask?Why
not see the proof for yourself.I am sure someone can scoot you along.
The jews have the Torah, and therefore were never "lost sheep".Pardon
me while I ignore the responses to your Jesus-athon (if you only knew)

1 United States 5,914,682 2% 40.5%
2 Israel 5,640,506 80% 34.4%
3 Russia 717,101 0.5% 4.91%
4 France 606,561 1% 4.16%

Now SCOOT along so YOU can find the FACTS of the MATTER
f***@verizon.net
2007-07-13 09:53:47 UTC
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[flushed]
Keep your bigotry to yourself
v***@aol.com
2007-07-13 22:09:18 UTC
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<snip>
REVELATION Chapter 6
"And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a
BOW; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering,
and
to conquer."
The white horse represents the horse upon which God's Witness (Rev.
19
v 11 & 1 v 5) (Isaiah 43 v 12) rides, as in Revelation 19 v 11.
^^^^^^^^^^
nwd
You are so wrong, it's not funny. NOT in the Bible is God's word been
represented by a ~bow~. God's word is represented by the word ~SWORD~!
Rev 2:16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will
fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
Look up the word ~sword~ in the Bible.
The white horse you speak about, without knowing what you are saying,
I might add, is the 1st horse of the Apocalypse. That seal has already
been! The 2nd horse or seal is on the horizon!
You are NOTHING more than a WANNA-BE prophet!
www.zionministry.com
Try going there if you want to get your facts right!
Ah yes, the white horse, with the rider armed with a bow. This is a
representation of the false religions, namely the Muslim religion,
which will be responsible for the third world war. The second
horseman represents war, which then brings famine, and results in
pestilence.

For a time, and perhaps even now, people thought it was Jesus riding
the white horse of the apocalypse, coming to judge. Jesus will be
equipped with a sword of vengeance, not a bow.

Muslims and the Koran base all the violence that they've been doing in
the name of Allah. This is what makes them fierce and dedicated,
taking even the U.S. Army to its limits. But it's a false religion,
and they will be destroyed somewhat by Russia, China, Germany, etc.

When Israel is threatened by this new world superpower, this monster
that seems unstoppable, that's when Jesus descends from heaven with
His army and he will obliterate this new monster, and the blood will
flow to the height of a horse's bridle in the valley of Armageddon.

Christians who are spared this colossal war are the ones who've been
caught up in the Rapture. The pre-tribulation Rapture.
HayekFan
2007-07-13 23:46:51 UTC
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Post by v***@aol.com
<snip>
REVELATION Chapter 6
"And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a
BOW; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering,
and
to conquer."
The white horse represents the horse upon which God's Witness (Rev.
19
v 11 & 1 v 5) (Isaiah 43 v 12) rides, as in Revelation 19 v 11.
^^^^^^^^^^
nwd
You are so wrong, it's not funny. NOT in the Bible is God's word been
represented by a ~bow~. God's word is represented by the word ~SWORD~!
Rev 2:16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will
fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
Look up the word ~sword~ in the Bible.
The white horse you speak about, without knowing what you are saying,
I might add, is the 1st horse of the Apocalypse. That seal has already
been! The 2nd horse or seal is on the horizon!
You are NOTHING more than a WANNA-BE prophet!
www.zionministry.com
Try going there if you want to get your facts right!
Ah yes, the white horse, with the rider armed with a bow. This is a
representation of the false religions, namely the Muslim religion,
which will be responsible for the third world war. The second
horseman represents war, which then brings famine, and results in
pestilence.
For a time, and perhaps even now, people thought it was Jesus riding
the white horse of the apocalypse, coming to judge. Jesus will be
equipped with a sword of vengeance, not a bow.
Muslims and the Koran base all the violence that they've been doing in
the name of Allah. This is what makes them fierce and dedicated,
taking even the U.S. Army to its limits. But it's a false religion,
and they will be destroyed somewhat by Russia, China, Germany, etc.
When Israel is threatened by this new world superpower, this monster
that seems unstoppable, that's when Jesus descends from heaven with
His army and he will obliterate this new monster, and the blood will
flow to the height of a horse's bridle in the valley of Armageddon.
Christians who are spared this colossal war are the ones who've been
caught up in the Rapture. The pre-tribulation Rapture.
I thought the Four Horsemen were Notre Dame football players...


..."But the foursome needed some help from Grantland Rice, a
sportswriter for the former New York Herald Tribune, to achieve
football immortality. After Notre Dame's 13-7 upset victory over a
strong Army team, on October 18, 1924, Rice penned a famous passage of
sports journalism:

"Outlined against a blue-gray October sky, the Four Horsemen rode
again. In dramatic lore they are known as famine, pestilence,
destruction and death. These are only aliases. Their real names are:
Stuhldreher, Miller, Crowley and Layden. They formed the crest of the
South Bend cyclone before which another fighting Army team was swept
over the precipice at the Polo Grounds this afternoon as 55,000
spectators peered down upon the bewildering panorama spread out upon
the green plain below."
Budikka666
2007-07-14 04:53:36 UTC
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Post by HayekFan
Post by v***@aol.com
<snip>
REVELATION Chapter 6
"And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a
BOW; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering,
and
to conquer."
The white horse represents the horse upon which God's Witness (Rev.
19
v 11 & 1 v 5) (Isaiah 43 v 12) rides, as in Revelation 19 v 11.
^^^^^^^^^^
nwd
You are so wrong, it's not funny. NOT in the Bible is God's word been
represented by a ~bow~. God's word is represented by the word ~SWORD~!
Rev 2:16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will
fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
Look up the word ~sword~ in the Bible.
The white horse you speak about, without knowing what you are saying,
I might add, is the 1st horse of the Apocalypse. That seal has already
been! The 2nd horse or seal is on the horizon!
You are NOTHING more than a WANNA-BE prophet!
www.zionministry.com
Try going there if you want to get your facts right!
Ah yes, the white horse, with the rider armed with a bow. This is a
representation of the false religions, namely the Muslim religion,
which will be responsible for the third world war. The second
horseman represents war, which then brings famine, and results in
pestilence.
For a time, and perhaps even now, people thought it was Jesus riding
the white horse of the apocalypse, coming to judge. Jesus will be
equipped with a sword of vengeance, not a bow.
Muslims and the Koran base all the violence that they've been doing in
the name of Allah. This is what makes them fierce and dedicated,
taking even the U.S. Army to its limits. But it's a false religion,
and they will be destroyed somewhat by Russia, China, Germany, etc.
When Israel is threatened by this new world superpower, this monster
that seems unstoppable, that's when Jesus descends from heaven with
His army and he will obliterate this new monster, and the blood will
flow to the height of a horse's bridle in the valley of Armageddon.
Christians who are spared this colossal war are the ones who've been
caught up in the Rapture. The pre-tribulation Rapture.
I thought the Four Horsemen were Notre Dame football players...
Naw! It's Bush, Cheney, Gonzales, and Rice....

Budikka
Dubh Ghall
2007-07-15 14:38:45 UTC
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Post by Budikka666
Post by HayekFan
Post by v***@aol.com
<snip>
REVELATION Chapter 6
"And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a
BOW; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering,
and
to conquer."
The white horse represents the horse upon which God's Witness (Rev.
19
v 11 & 1 v 5) (Isaiah 43 v 12) rides, as in Revelation 19 v 11.
^^^^^^^^^^
nwd
You are so wrong, it's not funny. NOT in the Bible is God's word been
represented by a ~bow~. God's word is represented by the word ~SWORD~!
Rev 2:16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will
fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
Look up the word ~sword~ in the Bible.
The white horse you speak about, without knowing what you are saying,
I might add, is the 1st horse of the Apocalypse. That seal has already
been! The 2nd horse or seal is on the horizon!
You are NOTHING more than a WANNA-BE prophet!
www.zionministry.com
Try going there if you want to get your facts right!
Ah yes, the white horse, with the rider armed with a bow. This is a
representation of the false religions, namely the Muslim religion,
which will be responsible for the third world war. The second
horseman represents war, which then brings famine, and results in
pestilence.
For a time, and perhaps even now, people thought it was Jesus riding
the white horse of the apocalypse, coming to judge. Jesus will be
equipped with a sword of vengeance, not a bow.
Muslims and the Koran base all the violence that they've been doing in
the name of Allah. This is what makes them fierce and dedicated,
taking even the U.S. Army to its limits. But it's a false religion,
and they will be destroyed somewhat by Russia, China, Germany, etc.
When Israel is threatened by this new world superpower, this monster
that seems unstoppable, that's when Jesus descends from heaven with
His army and he will obliterate this new monster, and the blood will
flow to the height of a horse's bridle in the valley of Armageddon.
Christians who are spared this colossal war are the ones who've been
caught up in the Rapture. The pre-tribulation Rapture.
I thought the Four Horsemen were Notre Dame football players...
Naw! It's Bush, Cheney, Gonzales, and Rice....
Mmm. But can any of them actually say, "apocalypse"?


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The spelling like any opinion stated here
is purely my own

#162 BAAWA Knight.
RetroProphet
2007-07-14 00:39:43 UTC
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Post by v***@aol.com
Ah yes, the white horse, with the rider armed with a bow. This is a
representation of the false religions, namely the Muslim religion,
which will be responsible for the third world war. The second
horseman represents war, which then brings famine, and results in
pestilence.
For a time, and perhaps even now, people thought it was Jesus riding
the white horse of the apocalypse, coming to judge. Jesus will be
equipped with a sword of vengeance, not a bow.
Muslims and the Koran base all the violence that they've been doing in
the name of Allah. This is what makes them fierce and dedicated,
taking even the U.S. Army to its limits. But it's a false religion,
and they will be destroyed somewhat by Russia, China, Germany, etc.
When Israel is threatened by this new world superpower, this monster
that seems unstoppable, that's when Jesus descends from heaven with
His army and he will obliterate this new monster, and the blood will
flow to the height of a horse's bridle in the valley of Armageddon.
It's so awesome that Jesus is going to come
to the rescue of Israel and save Jews as
well as Christians -- I love happy endings!
Post by v***@aol.com
Christians who are spared this colossal war
are the ones who've been caught up in the Rapture.
The pre-tribulation Rapture.
Hey, wait a minute...how come the Christians get to
sit the battle out while the Jews team up with Jesus
and tag-team the forces of evil into oblivion?
Al Klein
2007-07-14 02:06:45 UTC
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On 13 Jul 2007 17:39:43 -0700, RetroProphet
Post by RetroProphet
Hey, wait a minute...how come the Christians get to
sit the battle out while the Jews team up with Jesus
and tag-team the forces of evil into oblivion?
They were "chosen" for the job.
Elroy Willis
2007-07-14 02:22:08 UTC
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Post by Al Klein
Post by RetroProphet
Hey, wait a minute...how come the Christians get to
sit the battle out while the Jews team up with Jesus
and tag-team the forces of evil into oblivion?
They were "chosen" for the job.
By who?
--
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www.elroysemporium.com
Dubh Ghall
2007-07-15 14:46:40 UTC
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On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 21:22:08 -0500, Elroy Willis
Post by Elroy Willis
Post by Al Klein
Post by RetroProphet
Hey, wait a minute...how come the Christians get to
sit the battle out while the Jews team up with Jesus
and tag-team the forces of evil into oblivion?
They were "chosen" for the job.
By who?
Xtians, probably.


--

The spelling like any opinion stated here
is purely my own

#162 BAAWA Knight.
Fred A Stover
2007-07-14 01:58:08 UTC
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"RetroProphet" <***@newsguy.com> wrote in message news:***@drn.newsguy.com...

<Snip to Point>
Post by RetroProphet
Hey, wait a minute...how come the Christians get to
sit the battle out while the Jews team up with Jesus
and tag-team the forces of evil into oblivion?
They've already been saved (I Thess 5:9) and they have work to do (Rev 20).

His,
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Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as
a little child, he shall not enter therein. (Mark 10:15)

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Uncle Vic
2007-07-14 03:58:05 UTC
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Post by Fred A Stover
<Snip to Point>
Post by RetroProphet
Hey, wait a minute...how come the Christians get to
sit the battle out while the Jews team up with Jesus
and tag-team the forces of evil into oblivion?
They've already been saved (I Thess 5:9) and they have work to do (Rev 20).
His,
Why can't the Omnipotent One just zap his work done? What does he need
with a bunch of lowly sinners that will believe *anything* to trump death?
--
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aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.
Mistylien
2007-07-14 08:03:16 UTC
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Post by Fred A Stover
<Snip to Point>
Post by RetroProphet
Hey, wait a minute...how come the Christians get to
sit the battle out while the Jews team up with Jesus
and tag-team the forces of evil into oblivion?
Revelation 12: 6And the woman fled into the wilderness, where
she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there
a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

The above is talking about the Christian Church and where it was
all during the Great Tribulation.

The "days" stated are Prophetic Days if you understand Prophesies and
the Bible You should know how lont in Literal days that 1260 "days was
to be.

If you do not know that little piece of info from your Bible then you really
need to go back to Bible school and learn it.

M,
Post by Fred A Stover
They've already been saved (I Thess 5:9) and they have work to do (Rev 20).
His,
--
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as
a little child, he shall not enter therein. (Mark 10:15)
<)))))><
Preparing the way of the Lord.
Fred A Stover
2007-07-14 09:26:12 UTC
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Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
<Snip to Point>
Post by RetroProphet
Hey, wait a minute...how come the Christians get to
sit the battle out while the Jews team up with Jesus
and tag-team the forces of evil into oblivion?
Revelation 12: 6And the woman fled into the wilderness, where
she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there
a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
The above is talking about the Christian Church and where it was
all during the Great Tribulation.
No, the woman is Israel, the sun, moon, stars of Gen 37:9,
and the child is the first resurrection (1 Cor 15:23).


His,
--
www.geocities.com/***@sbcglobal.net/

Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as
a little child, he shall not enter therein. (Mark 10:15)

<)))))><

Preparing the way of the Lord.
Post by Mistylien
The "days" stated are Prophetic Days if you understand Prophesies and
the Bible You should know how lont in Literal days that 1260 "days was
to be.
If you do not know that little piece of info from your Bible then you really
need to go back to Bible school and learn it.
M,
Post by Fred A Stover
They've already been saved (I Thess 5:9) and they have work to do (Rev 20).
Mistylien
2007-07-15 09:07:04 UTC
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Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
<Snip to Point>
Post by RetroProphet
Hey, wait a minute...how come the Christians get to
sit the battle out while the Jews team up with Jesus
and tag-team the forces of evil into oblivion?
Revelation 12: 6And the woman fled into the wilderness, where
she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there
a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
The above is talking about the Christian Church and where it was
all during the Great Tribulation.
No, the woman is Israel, the sun, moon, stars of Gen 37:9,
and the child is the first resurrection (1 Cor 15:23).
So then when was it ressurected at the 1260 dasys then?

M,
Post by Fred A Stover
His,
--
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as
a little child, he shall not enter therein. (Mark 10:15)
<)))))><
Preparing the way of the Lord.
Post by Mistylien
The "days" stated are Prophetic Days if you understand Prophesies and
the Bible You should know how lont in Literal days that 1260 "days was
to be.
If you do not know that little piece of info from your Bible then you
really
Post by Mistylien
need to go back to Bible school and learn it.
M,
Post by Fred A Stover
They've already been saved (I Thess 5:9) and they have work to do (Rev
20).
Fred A Stover
2007-07-17 13:04:37 UTC
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Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
<Snip to Point>
Post by RetroProphet
Hey, wait a minute...how come the Christians get to
sit the battle out while the Jews team up with Jesus
and tag-team the forces of evil into oblivion?
Revelation 12: 6And the woman fled into the wilderness, where
she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there
a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
The above is talking about the Christian Church and where it was
all during the Great Tribulation.
No, the woman is Israel, the sun, moon, stars of Gen 37:9,
and the child is the first resurrection (1 Cor 15:23).
So then when was it ressurected at the 1260 dasys then?
At the judgment. Remember I see two resurrections a millennium apart. The
resurrection of the righteous (they're already determined righteous) and the
resurrection of the judgment.
Post by Mistylien
M,
Post by Fred A Stover
His,
--
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as
a little child, he shall not enter therein. (Mark 10:15)
<)))))><
Preparing the way of the Lord.
Post by Mistylien
The "days" stated are Prophetic Days if you understand Prophesies and
the Bible You should know how lont in Literal days that 1260 "days was
to be.
If you do not know that little piece of info from your Bible then you
really
Post by Mistylien
need to go back to Bible school and learn it.
M,
Post by Fred A Stover
They've already been saved (I Thess 5:9) and they have work to do (Rev
20).
Mistylien
2007-07-19 07:41:39 UTC
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Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
No, the woman is Israel, the sun, moon, stars of Gen 37:9,
9 Then he had another dream, and he told it to his brothers.
"Listen," he said, "I had another dream, and this time the sun
and moon and eleven stars were bowing down to me."

This was his mother and father and his brothers.
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
and the child is the first resurrection (1 Cor 15:23).
23But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then,
when he comes, those who belong to him.
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
So then when was it ressurected at the 1260 dasys then?
At the judgment. Remember I see two resurrections a millennium apart. The
resurrection of the righteous (they're already determined righteous) and the
resurrection of the judgment.
sorry I see only a non-event as you state it.

so it remains The Woman was taken to a place prepaird for her
in the desert as long as the Great Tribulation was to go on.
The GT has a starting date and an ending date, with 1260 literal years
inbetween
Revelation 12
5She gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the
nations with an iron scepter. And her child was snatched up
to God and to his throne. 6The woman fled into the desert to
a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken
care of for 1,260 days.
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
M,
Fred A Stover
2007-07-19 13:53:16 UTC
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Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
No, the woman is Israel, the sun, moon, stars of Gen 37:9,
9 Then he had another dream, and he told it to his brothers.
"Listen," he said, "I had another dream, and this time the sun
and moon and eleven stars were bowing down to me."
This was his mother and father and his brothers.
Right, Jacob, the sun, Rachel the moon, and the children are the 12 stars.
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
and the child is the first resurrection (1 Cor 15:23).
23But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then,
when he comes, those who belong to him.
Right. The head comes first, then the rest of the body..
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
So then when was it ressurected at the 1260 dasys then?
At the judgment. Remember I see two resurrections a millennium apart. The
resurrection of the righteous (they're already determined righteous) and the
resurrection of the judgment.
sorry I see only a non-event as you state it.
There are two resurrections in scripture: One is at the beginning of the
day of the Lord and the other is at the end: "the rest of the dead lived not
again until the thousand years were finished" (Rev. 20:5)

John 5:28-29
Marvel not at this: for the hour cometh, in which all that are in the
tombs shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good,
unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the
resurrection of judgment.
Post by Mistylien
so it remains The Woman was taken to a place prepaird for her
in the desert as long as the Great Tribulation was to go on.
The GT has a starting date and an ending date, with 1260 literal years
inbetween
Revelation 12
5She gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the
nations with an iron scepter. And her child was snatched up
to God and to his throne. 6The woman fled into the desert to
a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken
care of for 1,260 days.
The GT did have a starting time, the fall of man, and it has an ending time,
when its cause is cast into the lake of fire.

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Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as
a little child, he shall not enter therein. (Mark 10:15)

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Mistylien
2007-07-20 08:50:02 UTC
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Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Fred A Stover
No, the woman is Israel, the sun, moon, stars of Gen 37:9,
9 Then he had another dream, and he told it to his brothers.
"Listen," he said, "I had another dream, and this time the sun
and moon and eleven stars were bowing down to me."
This was his mother and father and his brothers.
Right, Jacob, the sun, Rachel the moon, and the children are the 12 stars.
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Fred A Stover
and the child is the first resurrection (1 Cor 15:23).
23But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then,
when he comes, those who belong to him.
Right. The head comes first, then the rest of the body..
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
So then when was it ressurected at the 1260 days then?
At the judgment. Remember I see two resurrections a millennium apart.
The
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
resurrection of the righteous (they're already determined righteous) and
the
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
resurrection of the judgment.
sorry I see only a non-event as you state it.
There are two resurrections in scripture: One is at the beginning of the
day of the Lord and the other is at the end: "the rest of the dead lived not
again until the thousand years were finished" (Rev 20:5)
4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw
the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God,
and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark
upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand
years.

5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is
the first resurrection.

6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second
death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with
him a thousand years.

This puts it in a little better perspective then just one verse out of

context.

How and when do the first set become alive?

When really is this thousand years? Is it gods time or our time

of the thousand years?

It has been 2 thousand years todate so how would you explain that we

have not seen something like this in History as we see it recorded?
Post by Fred A Stover
John 5:28-29
Marvel not at this: for the hour cometh, in which all that are in the
tombs shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good,
unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the
resurrection of judgment.
preresurrection and the prophecy did come to pass when Jesus died
on the cross. did it not?
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
so it remains The Woman was taken to a place prepaird for her
in the desert as long as the Great Tribulation was to go on.
The GT has a starting date and an ending date, with 1260 literal years
inbetween
Revelation 12
5She gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the
nations with an iron scepter. And her child was snatched up
to God and to his throne. 6The woman fled into the desert to
a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken
care of for 1,260 days.
The GT did have a starting time, the fall of man, and it has an ending time,
when its cause is cast into the lake of fire.
2 Thess 2:3 tells of the starting date of The "Great Tribulation".
3Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for (that day will not come)
until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the
man doomed to destruction.

all of the chapter goes into it a lot better if one was to read it all.

M,
Post by Fred A Stover
His,
--
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as
a little child, he shall not enter therein. (Mark 10:15)
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Fred A Stover
2007-07-20 09:43:39 UTC
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Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Fred A Stover
No, the woman is Israel, the sun, moon, stars of Gen 37:9,
9 Then he had another dream, and he told it to his brothers.
"Listen," he said, "I had another dream, and this time the sun
and moon and eleven stars were bowing down to me."
This was his mother and father and his brothers.
Right, Jacob, the sun, Rachel the moon, and the children are the 12 stars.
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Fred A Stover
and the child is the first resurrection (1 Cor 15:23).
23But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then,
when he comes, those who belong to him.
Right. The head comes first, then the rest of the body..
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
So then when was it ressurected at the 1260 days then?
At the judgment. Remember I see two resurrections a millennium apart.
The
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
resurrection of the righteous (they're already determined righteous) and
the
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
resurrection of the judgment.
sorry I see only a non-event as you state it.
There are two resurrections in scripture: One is at the beginning of the
day of the Lord and the other is at the end: "the rest of the dead lived not
again until the thousand years were finished" (Rev 20:5)
4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw
the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God,
and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark
upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand
years.
5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is
the first resurrection.
6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second
death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with
him a thousand years.
This puts it in a little better perspective then just one verse out of
context.
How and when do the first set become alive?
At His coming the church (the few chosen of the many called) is resurrected:

1 Thes. 4:16-17
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the
voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ
shall rise first: [17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up
together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall
we ever be with the Lord.

and they judge the rest: "Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the
world?" (1 Cor. 6:2): ""And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and
judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded
for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not
worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon
their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a
thousand years (but the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand
years were finished). This is the first resurrection" (Rev. 20:4-5).
.
Post by Mistylien
When really is this thousand years? Is it gods time or our time
of the thousand years?
It's 1000 years our time.
Post by Mistylien
It has been 2 thousand years todate so how would you explain that we
have not seen something like this in History as we see it recorded?
The day of the Lord is the 7th day (2Pt 3:10, Heb 4:4,7). The first
millennial day is the day Adam died at 930 years of age: "But of the tree of
the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day
that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die" (Gen 2:17).
.
Then there are "the last days," the three at the end beginning with His
first coming and ending at the judgment (Is 2:2, Acts 2:17, Heb 1:2)

The Day of the Lord is the last day of the three last days (2Pt 3:10).
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
John 5:28-29
Marvel not at this: for the hour cometh, in which all that are in the
tombs shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good,
unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the
resurrection of judgment.
preresurrection and the prophecy did come to pass when Jesus died
on the cross. did it not?
It began. In Rev 20 it speaks of the folks reigning in Rev 20:4, the folks
are Christ and the Christians. Combined they are the first resurrection. We
see two resurrections but He's showing us one with a big space between its
start and its ending.
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
so it remains The Woman was taken to a place prepaird for her
in the desert as long as the Great Tribulation was to go on.
The GT has a starting date and an ending date, with 1260 literal years
inbetween
Revelation 12
5She gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the
nations with an iron scepter. And her child was snatched up
to God and to his throne. 6The woman fled into the desert to
a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken
care of for 1,260 days.
The GT did have a starting time, the fall of man, and it has an ending time,
when its cause is cast into the lake of fire.
2 Thess 2:3 tells of the starting date of The "Great Tribulation".
3Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for (that day will not come)
until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the
man doomed to destruction.
all of the chapter goes into it a lot better if one was to read it all.
He's speaking of the Day of the Lord not coming until we see the revealing
of the man of sin.


His,
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Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as
a little child, he shall not enter therein. (Mark 10:15)

<)))))><

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Mistylien
2007-07-22 08:31:17 UTC
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Snip<
Post by Mistylien
Post by Mistylien
4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto
them: and I saw
Post by Mistylien
the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the
word of God,
Post by Mistylien
and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had
received his mark
Post by Mistylien
upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with
Christ a thousand
Post by Mistylien
years.
5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were
finished. This is
Post by Mistylien
the first resurrection.
6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such
the second
Post by Mistylien
death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and
shall reign with
Post by Mistylien
him a thousand years.
This puts it in a little better perspective then just one verse out of
context.
How and when do the first set become alive?
He has been coming now for 2,000 years.
Which of the thousand is the right one?
Post by Mistylien
1 Thes. 4:16-17
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the
voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ
shall rise first: [17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up
together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall
we ever be with the Lord.
There is a lot more to this then what meets the eye and I scarcely think
you have the insight to get to the bottom of it.
But then you may try.
Post by Mistylien
and they judge the rest: "Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the
world?" (1 Cor. 6:2): ""And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and
And Just whom do you propose who those Saints may be?
Post by Mistylien
judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded
for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not
worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon
their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a
thousand years (but the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand
years were finished). This is the first resurrection" (Rev. 20:4-5).
.
Post by Mistylien
When really is this thousand years? Is it gods time or our time
of the thousand years?
It's 1000 years our time.
We already have 2,000 years of History so far.
So it looks like there is more to it then that.
Post by Mistylien
Post by Mistylien
It has been 2 thousand years todate so how would you explain that we
have not seen something like this in History as we see it recorded?
The day of the Lord is the 7th day (2Pt 3:10, Heb 4:4,7). The first
millennial day is the day Adam died at 930 years of age: "But of the tree of
the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day
that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die" (Gen 2:17).
.
Then there are "the last days," the three at the end beginning with His
first coming and ending at the judgment (Is 2:2, Acts 2:17, Heb 1:2)
The Day of the Lord is the last day of the three last days (2Pt 3:10).
The Lord has now been in the last Day for 2,000 years or 2 of God's
days. What is missing here?

When souls come to Believe and accept The Lord They must do it
one at a time just as Mary Magdalene did there in the Garden.
God is no longer interested in any nation coming to Him as a Nation
and that is how it has been for the last 2,000 years and will be for the
next 2,000 years.
Post by Mistylien
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
John 5:28-29
Marvel not at this: for the hour cometh, in which all that are in the
tombs shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done
good,
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the
resurrection of judgment.
reresurrection and the prophecy did come to pass when Jesus died
on the cross. did it not?
It began. In Rev 20 it speaks of the folks reigning in Rev 20:4, the folks
are Christ and the Christians. Combined they are the first resurrection. We
see two resurrections but He's showing us one with a big space between its
start and its ending.
Remember in Revelation you are reading Bible Prophecy it is not litteral
times nor was it hapening as John envisioned it.
Post by Mistylien
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
so it remains The Woman was taken to a place prepaird for her
in the desert as long as the Great Tribulation was to go on.
The GT has a starting date and an ending date, with 1260 literal years
inbetween
Revelation 12
5She gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the
nations with an iron scepter. And her child was snatched up
to God and to his throne. 6The woman fled into the desert to
a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken
care of for 1,260 days.
The GT did have a starting time, the fall of man, and it has an ending
time,
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
when its cause is cast into the lake of fire.
2 Thess 2:3 tells of the starting date of The "Great Tribulation".
3Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for (that day will not come)
until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the
man doomed to destruction.
all of the chapter goes into it a lot better if one was to read it all.
He's speaking of the Day of the Lord not coming until we see the revealing
of the man of sin.
Can you go back in History of the last 2,000 years and see if that event did
or did not occur?
Or do you need to take a corse on Bible prophecy Time line and Historic
time line to see if any of those match up with each other or not.

You see time does not start when YOU read the Bible.
It starts when The Bible prophecy predicts it to start. and it will be
fulfilled when Bible prophecy says it will be fulfilled.

It is up to us to be wise enough to let the Bible show us all those
answers.
It is not up to us to take it out of context and apply it to what ever our whims
dictates.

M,
Post by Mistylien
His,
--
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as
a little child, he shall not enter therein. (Mark 10:15)
<)))))><
Preparing the way of the Lord.
Benjamin Cramer
2007-07-22 09:01:59 UTC
Permalink
All good stuff, Mistylien. Cracking good yarn, in fact. Slightly spoiled by
one tiny oversight.

There is no god. Of any flavour.
Post by Mistylien
Snip<
Post by Mistylien
Post by Mistylien
4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto
them: and I saw
Post by Mistylien
the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the
word of God,
Post by Mistylien
and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had
received his mark
Post by Mistylien
upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with
Christ a thousand
Post by Mistylien
years.
5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were
finished. This is
Post by Mistylien
the first resurrection.
6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such
the second
Post by Mistylien
death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and
shall reign with
Post by Mistylien
him a thousand years.
This puts it in a little better perspective then just one verse out of
context.
How and when do the first set become alive?
He has been coming now for 2,000 years.
Which of the thousand is the right one?
Post by Mistylien
1 Thes. 4:16-17
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the
voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ
shall rise first: [17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up
together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall
we ever be with the Lord.
There is a lot more to this then what meets the eye and I scarcely think
you have the insight to get to the bottom of it.
But then you may try.
Post by Mistylien
and they judge the rest: "Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the
world?" (1 Cor. 6:2): ""And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and
And Just whom do you propose who those Saints may be?
Post by Mistylien
judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded
for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not
worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon
their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a
thousand years (but the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand
years were finished). This is the first resurrection" (Rev. 20:4-5).
.
Post by Mistylien
When really is this thousand years? Is it gods time or our time
of the thousand years?
It's 1000 years our time.
We already have 2,000 years of History so far.
So it looks like there is more to it then that.
Post by Mistylien
Post by Mistylien
It has been 2 thousand years todate so how would you explain that we
have not seen something like this in History as we see it recorded?
The day of the Lord is the 7th day (2Pt 3:10, Heb 4:4,7). The first
millennial day is the day Adam died at 930 years of age: "But of the tree of
the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day
that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die" (Gen 2:17).
.
Then there are "the last days," the three at the end beginning with His
first coming and ending at the judgment (Is 2:2, Acts 2:17, Heb 1:2)
The Day of the Lord is the last day of the three last days (2Pt 3:10).
The Lord has now been in the last Day for 2,000 years or 2 of God's
days. What is missing here?
When souls come to Believe and accept The Lord They must do it
one at a time just as Mary Magdalene did there in the Garden.
God is no longer interested in any nation coming to Him as a Nation
and that is how it has been for the last 2,000 years and will be for the
next 2,000 years.
Post by Mistylien
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
John 5:28-29
Marvel not at this: for the hour cometh, in which all that are in the
tombs shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done
good,
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the
resurrection of judgment.
reresurrection and the prophecy did come to pass when Jesus died
on the cross. did it not?
It began. In Rev 20 it speaks of the folks reigning in Rev 20:4, the folks
are Christ and the Christians. Combined they are the first resurrection. We
see two resurrections but He's showing us one with a big space between its
start and its ending.
Remember in Revelation you are reading Bible Prophecy it is not litteral
times nor was it hapening as John envisioned it.
Post by Mistylien
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
so it remains The Woman was taken to a place prepaird for her
in the desert as long as the Great Tribulation was to go on.
The GT has a starting date and an ending date, with 1260 literal years
inbetween
Revelation 12
5She gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the
nations with an iron scepter. And her child was snatched up
to God and to his throne. 6The woman fled into the desert to
a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken
care of for 1,260 days.
The GT did have a starting time, the fall of man, and it has an ending
time,
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
when its cause is cast into the lake of fire.
2 Thess 2:3 tells of the starting date of The "Great Tribulation".
3Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for (that day will not come)
until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the
man doomed to destruction.
all of the chapter goes into it a lot better if one was to read it all.
He's speaking of the Day of the Lord not coming until we see the revealing
of the man of sin.
Can you go back in History of the last 2,000 years and see if that event did
or did not occur?
Or do you need to take a corse on Bible prophecy Time line and Historic
time line to see if any of those match up with each other or not.
You see time does not start when YOU read the Bible.
It starts when The Bible prophecy predicts it to start. and it will be
fulfilled when Bible prophecy says it will be fulfilled.
It is up to us to be wise enough to let the Bible show us all those
answers.
It is not up to us to take it out of context and apply it to what ever our whims
dictates.
M,
Post by Mistylien
His,
--
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as
a little child, he shall not enter therein. (Mark 10:15)
<)))))><
Preparing the way of the Lord.
Mistylien
2007-07-23 06:47:39 UTC
Permalink
All good stuff, Mistylien. Cracking good yarn, in fact. Slightly spoiled by one tiny
oversight.
There is no god. Of any flavour.
OH I beg to differ with you.

There are as many gods as there are.
But there be only one Creator Lord God.
All the rest are Created.

Either they be created by God and people use them as gods, or
People create their own gods.

However it remains ONLY one God is to be reviered above them
all.
That God be the God of the God head in 3 phases.
God the Father, God the Son of which is the Living Word of God,
and God the Holy Spirit, that is The Spirit if Truth that bindes God
to all of Creation.
Even to you Sir.

M,
Snip<
Post by Mistylien
There is a lot more to this then what meets the eye and I scarcely think
you have the insight to get to the bottom of it.
But then you may try.
And Just whom do you propose who those Saints may be?
We already have 2,000 years of History so far.
So it looks like there is more to it then that.
The Lord has now been in the last Day for 2,000 years or 2 of God's
days. What is missing here?
When souls come to Believe and accept The Lord They must do it
one at a time just as Mary Magdalene did there in the Garden.
God is no longer interested in any nation coming to Him as a Nation
and that is how it has been for the last 2,000 years and will be for the
next 2,000 years.
Remember in Revelation you are reading Bible Prophecy it is not litteral
times nor was it hapening as John envisioned it.
Can you go back in History of the last 2,000 years and see if that event did or did not
occur?
Or do you need to take a corse on Bible prophecy Time line and Historic
time line to see if any of those match up with each other or not.
You see time does not start when YOU read the Bible.
It starts when The Bible prophecy predicts it to start. and it will be
fulfilled when Bible prophecy says it will be fulfilled.
It is up to us to be wise enough to let the Bible show us all those
answers.
It is not up to us to take it out of context and apply it to what ever our whims
dictates.
M,
Fred A Stover
2007-07-22 17:29:54 UTC
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4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto
them: and I saw
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the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the
word of God,
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and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had
received his mark
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upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with
Christ a thousand
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years.
5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were
finished. This is
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the first resurrection.
6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such
the second
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death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and
shall reign with
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him a thousand years.
This puts it in a little better perspective then just one verse out of
context.
How and when do the first set become alive?
He has been coming now for 2,000 years.
Which of the thousand is the right one?
There are seven. Which one's the seventh?
Post by Mistylien
Post by Mistylien
1 Thes. 4:16-17
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the
voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ
shall rise first: [17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up
together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall
we ever be with the Lord.
There is a lot more to this then what meets the eye and I scarcely think
you have the insight to get to the bottom of it.
But then you may try.
It stands.
Post by Mistylien
Post by Mistylien
and they judge the rest: "Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the
world?" (1 Cor. 6:2): ""And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and
And Just whom do you propose who those Saints may be?
His.
Post by Mistylien
Post by Mistylien
judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded
for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not
worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon
their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a
thousand years (but the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand
years were finished). This is the first resurrection" (Rev. 20:4-5).
.
Post by Mistylien
When really is this thousand years? Is it gods time or our time
of the thousand years?
It's 1000 years our time.
We already have 2,000 years of History so far.
So it looks like there is more to it then that.
Yes, it's a matter of the right millennium.
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Post by Mistylien
Post by Mistylien
It has been 2 thousand years todate so how would you explain that we
have not seen something like this in History as we see it recorded?
The day of the Lord is the 7th day (2Pt 3:10, Heb 4:4,7). The first
millennial day is the day Adam died at 930 years of age: "But of the tree of
the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day
that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die" (Gen 2:17).
.
Then there are "the last days," the three at the end beginning with His
first coming and ending at the judgment (Is 2:2, Acts 2:17, Heb 1:2)
The Day of the Lord is the last day of the three last days (2Pt 3:10).
The Lord has now been in the last Day for 2,000 years or 2 of God's
days. What is missing here?
Lit. 101. Like any author, the Author defines His terms. As we read we grasp
what He means as He uses His words, and it is the understanding of His terms
that is missing. We've been in the last days since His first coming (Is 2:2,
Acts 2:17, Heb 1:2), not the last day.
Post by Mistylien
When souls come to Believe and accept The Lord They must do it
one at a time just as Mary Magdalene did there in the Garden.
God is no longer interested in any nation coming to Him as a Nation
and that is how it has been for the last 2,000 years and will be for the
next 2,000 years.
Again it is a matter of His terms:

2 Chron. 7:14
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and
pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear
from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
Post by Mistylien
Post by Mistylien
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
John 5:28-29
Marvel not at this: for the hour cometh, in which all that are in the
tombs shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done
good,
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Post by Fred A Stover
unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the
resurrection of judgment.
reresurrection and the prophecy did come to pass when Jesus died
on the cross. did it not?
It began. In Rev 20 it speaks of the folks reigning in Rev 20:4, the folks
are Christ and the Christians. Combined they are the first resurrection. We
see two resurrections but He's showing us one with a big space between its
start and its ending.
Remember in Revelation you are reading Bible Prophecy it is not litteral
times nor was it hapening as John envisioned it.
Some of it is literal, some is figurative, and some is both.
Post by Mistylien
Post by Mistylien
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
so it remains The Woman was taken to a place prepaird for her
in the desert as long as the Great Tribulation was to go on.
The GT has a starting date and an ending date, with 1260 literal years
inbetween
Revelation 12
5She gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the
nations with an iron scepter. And her child was snatched up
to God and to his throne. 6The woman fled into the desert to
a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken
care of for 1,260 days.
The GT did have a starting time, the fall of man, and it has an ending
time,
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when its cause is cast into the lake of fire.
2 Thess 2:3 tells of the starting date of The "Great Tribulation".
3Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for (that day will not come)
until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the
man doomed to destruction.
all of the chapter goes into it a lot better if one was to read it all.
He's speaking of the Day of the Lord not coming until we see the revealing
of the man of sin.
Can you go back in History of the last 2,000 years and see if that event did
or did not occur?
Or do you need to take a corse on Bible prophecy Time line and Historic
time line to see if any of those match up with each other or not.
From concurreent events, events which will occur with its happening, we can
see that it hasn't happened.
Post by Mistylien
You see time does not start when YOU read the Bible.
It starts when The Bible prophecy predicts it to start. and it will be
fulfilled when Bible prophecy says it will be fulfilled.
Right!
Post by Mistylien
It is up to us to be wise enough to let the Bible show us all those
answers.
It is not up to us to take it out of context and apply it to what ever our whims
dictates.
It's not a matter of wisdom. It's a matter of submiision to Him, His, word,
and His voice.


His,
--
For 1600 years the Bible said: "For many deceivers are entering into the
world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is coming in the flesh. This is a
deceiver and an antichrist."

The original Greek text of the Bible and the Vulgate tranlation read "Jesus
Christ is coming in the flesh" because coming is in the present active
participle. The earliest versions that I've found to mistranslate the
present participle "is coming" as "is/has come," are the Douay-Rheims NT
(1582) and the King James (1611).

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Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as
a little child, he shall not enter therein. (Mark 10:15)

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Mistylien
2007-07-23 07:29:30 UTC
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He has been coming now for 2,000 years.
Which of the thousand is the right one?
There are seven. Which one's the seventh?
Jesus came into the world about 2 to 4 BC.
so it is after that that he was to come again after his Death on
the Cross.
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
1 Thes. 4:16-17
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the
voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in
Christ
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
shall rise first: [17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be
caught up
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so
shall
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
we ever be with the Lord.
There is a lot more to this then what meets the eye and I scarcely think
you have the insight to get to the bottom of it.
But then you may try.
It stands.
Yes it does but do we?
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
and they judge the rest: "Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the
world?" (1 Cor. 6:2): ""And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and
And Just whom do you propose who those Saints may be?
His.
A Dodge is not an answer!
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were
beheaded
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not
worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark
upon
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with
Christ a
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
thousand years (but the rest of the dead lived not again until the
thousand
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
years were finished). This is the first resurrection" (Rev. 20:4-5).
.
It's 1000 years our time.
We already have 2,000 years of History so far.
So it looks like there is more to it then that.
Yes, it's a matter of the right millennium.
What I mean is it God's Time or yours and my time right now today?
It is one of those gray areas I have not been given insight into
as of yet. Sorry, or I would share that insight with you all. M,
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
The day of the Lord is the 7th day (2Pt 3:10, Heb 4:4,7). The first
millennial day is the day Adam died at 930 years of age: "But of the
tree of
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day
that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die" (Gen 2:17).
This is speakng of a God day, not a earth day nor a christian day, nor
a Prophetic day.
Each has it own application/s.
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
.
Then there are "the last days," the three at the end beginning with His
first coming and ending at the judgment (Is 2:2, Acts 2:17, Heb 1:2)
The Day of the Lord is the last day of the three last days (2Pt 3:10).
No 3 days in this one Sorry,
Try again to explain the 3 last days and where did you get them from in
Prophecy of the Bible.
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
The Lord has now been in the last Day for 2,000 years or 2 of God's
days. What is missing here?
Lit. 101. Like any author, the Author defines His terms. As we read we grasp
what He means as He uses His words, and it is the understanding of His terms
that is missing. We've been in the last days since His first coming (Is 2:2,
Acts 2:17, Heb 1:2), not the last day.
Is 2: 2 In the last days
the mountain of the LORD's temple will be established
as chief among the mountains;
it will be raised above the hills,
and all nations will stream to it.
Acts 2:
17" 'In the last days, God says,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your young men will see visions,
your old men will dream dreams.
Heb 1:
2but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he
appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
When souls come to Believe and accept The Lord They must do it
one at a time just as Mary Magdalene did there in the Garden.
God is no longer interested in any nation coming to Him as a Nation
and that is how it has been for the last 2,000 years and will be for the
next 2,000 years.
2 Chron. 7:14
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and
pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear
from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
OH! if we/they only knew what their Wicked ways are. . .
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
It began. In Rev 20 it speaks of the folks reigning in Rev 20:4, the
folks
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
are Christ and the Christians. Combined they are the first resurrection.
We
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
see two resurrections but He's showing us one with a big space between
its
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
start and its ending.
Remember in Revelation you are reading Bible Prophecy it is not litteral
times nor was it hapening as John envisioned it.
Some of it is literal, some is figurative, and some is both.
We must be wise to separate one from the other. tis true tis true.
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
He's speaking of the Day of the Lord not coming until we see the
revealing
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
of the man of sin.
Can you go back in History of the last 2,000 years and see if that event
did or did not occur?
Post by Mistylien
Or do you need to take a corse on Bible prophecy Time line and Historic
time line to see if any of those match up with each other or not.
From concurreent events, events which will occur with its happening, we can
see that it hasn't happened.
In our world of today we see a beastly organization that has been in
the world for a long long time.
It had a beginning one day some time in the past.

So I must beg to differ with you that that "MAN OF SIN" indeed did
reveal himself and many followed in his office of such high esteem.

His office did continue on for the prophesied 1260 Prophetic "days"
until that office did receave it's deadly Wound.
This why I say you may need a crash corse in Bible Prophecy to understand
how that all works out and is applied to History from Bible Prophecy.
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
You see time does not start when YOU read the Bible.
It starts when The Bible prophecy predicts it to start. and it will be
fulfilled when Bible prophecy says it will be fulfilled.
Right!
Our Problem remains as to just how to read Prophecy because most
of us have missed the Keys that the Bible itself has giving us.

However God does give us teachers to show us some of the things
we have missed when we read His Written Word so fast that
we are not able to remember exactly what we read.
Well after all it is a big book or library to try to memorize.
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
It is up to us to be wise enough to let the Bible show us all those
answers.
It is not up to us to take it out of context and apply it to what ever our
whims dictates.
It's not a matter of wisdom. It's a matter of submiision to Him, His, word,
and His voice.
OH we have such a large set of pride in us that we may never submit to
The many facets of His infinite wisdome that He shares with us in
His Word.

I am just walking on egg shells here with you and not giving it to\
you all at one time.
As most bolt and run about this very time when somthing very
imoprtant is about to be revealed to them of a insight to God's
Word.

M,
Post by Fred A Stover
His,
--
For 1600 years the Bible said: "For many deceivers are entering into the
world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is coming in the flesh. This is a
deceiver and an antichrist."
The original Greek text of the Bible and the Vulgate tranlation read "Jesus
Christ is coming in the flesh" because coming is in the present active
participle. The earliest versions that I've found to mistranslate the
present participle "is coming" as "is/has come," are the Douay-Rheims NT
(1582) and the King James (1611).
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as
a little child, he shall not enter therein. (Mark 10:15)
<)))))><
Preparing the way of the Lord.
Fred A Stover
2007-07-23 10:06:04 UTC
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Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
He has been coming now for 2,000 years.
Which of the thousand is the right one?
There are seven. Which one's the seventh?
Jesus came into the world about 2 to 4 BC.
so it is after that that he was to come again after his Death on
the Cross.
His first coming wasn't His birth. He and John were the two witnesses
prophesying His first coming: "Ye shall not have gone over the cities of
Israel, till the Son of man be come" (Mt 10:23), coming as prophesied in Mt
21:

Matthew 21:5-9
Tell ye the daughter of Sion, Behold, thy King cometh unto thee, meek,
and sitting upon an ass, and a colt the foal of an ass. [6] And the
disciples went, and did as Jesus commanded them, [7] And brought the ass,
and the colt, and put on them their clothes, and they set him thereon. [8]
And a very great multitude spread their garments in the way; others cut down
branches from the trees, and strawed them in the way. [9] And the multitudes
that went before, and that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna to the Son of
David: Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the
highest.

And His next coming is for the seventh day.
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
1 Thes. 4:16-17
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the
voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in
Christ
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
shall rise first: [17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be
caught up
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so
shall
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
we ever be with the Lord.
There is a lot more to this then what meets the eye and I scarcely think
you have the insight to get to the bottom of it.
But then you may try.
It stands.
Yes it does but do we?
Some of us do. It is also a judgment, for the ones who stand again have been
judged His.
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
and they judge the rest: "Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the
world?" (1 Cor. 6:2): ""And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and
And Just whom do you propose who those Saints may be?
His.
A Dodge is not an answer!
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were
beheaded
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not
worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark
upon
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with
Christ a
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
thousand years (but the rest of the dead lived not again until the
thousand
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
years were finished). This is the first resurrection" (Rev. 20:4-5).
.
It's 1000 years our time.
We already have 2,000 years of History so far.
So it looks like there is more to it then that.
Yes, it's a matter of the right millennium.
What I mean is it God's Time or yours and my time right now today?
It is one of those gray areas I have not been given insight into
as of yet. Sorry, or I would share that insight with you all. M,
It's His time, but as in the days of Noah (Gen 7:4) He reveals it.

There's a guy periodically picking the time, but the Lord isn't going to
reveal it to some one who would broadcast it to the folks that aren't to
know until He gets here.
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
The day of the Lord is the 7th day (2Pt 3:10, Heb 4:4,7). The first
millennial day is the day Adam died at 930 years of age: "But of the
tree of
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day
that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die" (Gen 2:17).
This is speakng of a God day, not a earth day nor a christian day, nor
a Prophetic day.
Each has it own application/s.
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
.
Then there are "the last days," the three at the end beginning with His
first coming and ending at the judgment (Is 2:2, Acts 2:17, Heb 1:2)
The Day of the Lord is the last day of the three last days (2Pt 3:10).
No 3 days in this one Sorry,
Try again to explain the 3 last days and where did you get them from in
Prophecy of the Bible.
Hosea 6:2.
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
The Lord has now been in the last Day for 2,000 years or 2 of God's
days. What is missing here?
Lit. 101. Like any author, the Author defines His terms. As we read we grasp
what He means as He uses His words, and it is the understanding of His terms
that is missing. We've been in the last days since His first coming (Is 2:2,
Acts 2:17, Heb 1:2), not the last day.
Is 2: 2 In the last days
the mountain of the LORD's temple will be established
as chief among the mountains;
it will be raised above the hills,
and all nations will stream to it.
17" 'In the last days, God says,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your young men will see visions,
your old men will dream dreams.
2but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he
appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
When souls come to Believe and accept The Lord They must do it
one at a time just as Mary Magdalene did there in the Garden.
God is no longer interested in any nation coming to Him as a Nation
and that is how it has been for the last 2,000 years and will be for the
next 2,000 years.
2 Chron. 7:14
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and
pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear
from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
OH! if we/they only knew what their Wicked ways are. . .
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
It began. In Rev 20 it speaks of the folks reigning in Rev 20:4, the
folks
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
are Christ and the Christians. Combined they are the first resurrection.
We
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
see two resurrections but He's showing us one with a big space between
its
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
start and its ending.
Remember in Revelation you are reading Bible Prophecy it is not litteral
times nor was it hapening as John envisioned it.
Some of it is literal, some is figurative, and some is both.
We must be wise to separate one from the other. tis true tis true.
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
He's speaking of the Day of the Lord not coming until we see the
revealing
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
of the man of sin.
Can you go back in History of the last 2,000 years and see if that event
did or did not occur?
Post by Mistylien
Or do you need to take a corse on Bible prophecy Time line and Historic
time line to see if any of those match up with each other or not.
From concurreent events, events which will occur with its happening, we can
see that it hasn't happened.
In our world of today we see a beastly organization that has been in
the world for a long long time.
It had a beginning one day some time in the past.
So I must beg to differ with you that that "MAN OF SIN" indeed did
reveal himself and many followed in his office of such high esteem.
His office did continue on for the prophesied 1260 Prophetic "days"
until that office did receave it's deadly Wound.
This why I say you may need a crash corse in Bible Prophecy to understand
how that all works out and is applied to History from Bible Prophecy.
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
You see time does not start when YOU read the Bible.
It starts when The Bible prophecy predicts it to start. and it will be
fulfilled when Bible prophecy says it will be fulfilled.
Right!
Our Problem remains as to just how to read Prophecy because most
of us have missed the Keys that the Bible itself has giving us.
However God does give us teachers to show us some of the things
we have missed when we read His Written Word so fast that
we are not able to remember exactly what we read.
Well after all it is a big book or library to try to memorize.
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
It is up to us to be wise enough to let the Bible show us all those
answers.
It is not up to us to take it out of context and apply it to what ever our
whims dictates.
It's not a matter of wisdom. It's a matter of submiision to Him, His, word,
and His voice.
OH we have such a large set of pride in us that we may never submit to
The many facets of His infinite wisdome that He shares with us in
His Word.
True.
Post by Mistylien
I am just walking on egg shells here with you and not giving it to\
you all at one time.
As most bolt and run about this very time when somthing very
imoprtant is about to be revealed to them of a insight to God's
Word.
M,
Post by Fred A Stover
His,
--
For 1600 years the Bible said: "For many deceivers are entering into the
world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is coming in the flesh. This is a
deceiver and an antichrist."
The original Greek text of the Bible and the Vulgate tranlation read "Jesus
Christ is coming in the flesh" because coming is in the present active
participle. The earliest versions that I've found to mistranslate the
present participle "is coming" as "is/has come," are the Douay-Rheims NT
(1582) and the King James (1611).
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as
a little child, he shall not enter therein. (Mark 10:15)
<)))))><
Preparing the way of the Lord.
Mistylien
2007-07-24 07:32:54 UTC
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Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
He has been coming now for 2,000 years.
Which of the thousand is the right one?
There are seven. Which one's the seventh?
Jesus came into the world about 2 to 4 BC.
so it is after that that he was to come again after his Death on
the Cross.
His first coming wasn't His birth. He and John were the two witnesses
prophesying His first coming: "Ye shall not have gone over the cities of
Israel, till the Son of man be come" (Mt 10:23), coming as prophesied in Mt
Oh yes they were 2 witnesses alright but not "THE 2 TWO WITNESSES"
Of Revelation 11 now , Were they? or is that what you are trying to give us?
Post by Fred A Stover
Matthew 21:5-9
Tell ye the daughter of Sion, Behold, thy King cometh unto thee, meek,
and sitting upon an ass, and a colt the foal of an ass. [6] And the
disciples went, and did as Jesus commanded them, [7] And brought the ass,
and the colt, and put on them their clothes, and they set him thereon. [8]
And a very great multitude spread their garments in the way; others cut down
branches from the trees, and strawed them in the way. [9] And the multitudes
that went before, and that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna to the Son of
David: Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the
highest.
I too believe that was his first coming.
Post by Fred A Stover
And His next coming is for the seventh day.
Where do you get this from?
Post by Fred A Stover
Some of us do. It is also a judgment, for the ones who stand again have been
judged His.
Hmm.
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
What I mean is it God's Time or yours and my time right now today?
It is one of those gray areas I have not been given insight into
as of yet. Sorry, or I would share that insight with you all. M,
It's His time, but as in the days of Noah (Gen 7:4) He reveals it.
There's a guy periodically picking the time, but the Lord isn't going to
reveal it to some one who would broadcast it to the folks that aren't to
know until He gets here.
This should wipe out a lot of Verses that are in the Bible.
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
The day of the Lord is the 7th day (2Pt 3:10, Heb 4:4,7). The first
millennial day is the day Adam died at 930 years of age: "But of the
tree of
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the
day
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die" (Gen 2:17).
This is speakng of a God day, not a earth day nor a christian day, nor
a Prophetic day.
Each has it own application/s.
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
.
Then there are "the last days," the three at the end beginning with
His
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
first coming and ending at the judgment (Is 2:2, Acts 2:17, Heb 1:2)
The Day of the Lord is the last day of the three last days (2Pt
3:10).
Post by Mistylien
No 3 days in this one Sorry,
Try again to explain the 3 last days and where did you get them from in
Prophecy of the Bible.
Hosea 6:2.
(Israel Unrepentant)

read the whole chapter.

M,
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
Lit. 101. Like any author, the Author defines His terms. As we read we
grasp
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
what He means as He uses His words, and it is the understanding of His
terms
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
that is missing. We've been in the last days since His first coming (Is
2:2,
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
Acts 2:17, Heb 1:2), not the last day.
Is 2: 2 In the last days
the mountain of the LORD's temple will be established
as chief among the mountains;
it will be raised above the hills,
and all nations will stream to it.
17" 'In the last days, God says,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your young men will see visions,
your old men will dream dreams.
2but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he
appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.
In our world of today we see a beastly organization that has been in
the world for a long long time.
It had a beginning one day some time in the past.
So I must beg to differ with you that that "MAN OF SIN" indeed did
reveal himself and many followed in his office of such high esteem.
His office did continue on for the prophesied 1260 Prophetic "days"
until that office did receave it's deadly Wound.
This why I say you may need a crash corse in Bible Prophecy to understand
how that all works out and is applied to History from Bible Prophecy.
Our Problem remains as to just how to read Prophecy because most
of us have missed the Keys that the Bible itself has giving us.
However God does give us teachers to show us some of the things
we have missed when we read His Written Word so fast that
we are not able to remember exactly what we read.
Well after all it is a big book or library to try to memorize.
OH we have such a large set of pride in us that we may never submit to
The many facets of His infinite wisdome that He shares with us in
His Word.
True.
Post by Mistylien
I am just walking on egg shells here with you and not giving it to\
you all at one time.
As most bolt and run about this very time when somthing very
imoprtant is about to be revealed to them of a insight to God's
Word.
M,
Post by Fred A Stover
His,
--
For 1600 years the Bible said: "For many deceivers are entering into the
world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is coming in the flesh. This is
a
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
deceiver and an antichrist."
The original Greek text of the Bible and the Vulgate tranlation read
"Jesus
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
Christ is coming in the flesh" because coming is in the present active
participle. The earliest versions that I've found to mistranslate the
present participle "is coming" as "is/has come," are the Douay-Rheims NT
(1582) and the King James (1611).
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God
as
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
a little child, he shall not enter therein. (Mark 10:15)
<)))))><
Preparing the way of the Lord.
Benjamin Cramer
2007-07-24 12:54:55 UTC
Permalink
Will you piss orf with this religious shite.

alt.religious.fucktards is
thataway ------------------------------------------->
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
Snip<
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
He has been coming now for 2,000 years.
Which of the thousand is the right one?
There are seven. Which one's the seventh?
Jesus came into the world about 2 to 4 BC.
so it is after that that he was to come again after his Death on
the Cross.
His first coming wasn't His birth. He and John were the two witnesses
prophesying His first coming: "Ye shall not have gone over the cities of
Israel, till the Son of man be come" (Mt 10:23), coming as prophesied in Mt
Oh yes they were 2 witnesses alright but not "THE 2 TWO WITNESSES"
Of Revelation 11 now , Were they? or is that what you are trying to give us?
Post by Fred A Stover
Matthew 21:5-9
Tell ye the daughter of Sion, Behold, thy King cometh unto thee, meek,
and sitting upon an ass, and a colt the foal of an ass. [6] And the
disciples went, and did as Jesus commanded them, [7] And brought the ass,
and the colt, and put on them their clothes, and they set him thereon. [8]
And a very great multitude spread their garments in the way; others cut down
branches from the trees, and strawed them in the way. [9] And the multitudes
that went before, and that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna to the Son of
David: Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the
highest.
I too believe that was his first coming.
Post by Fred A Stover
And His next coming is for the seventh day.
Where do you get this from?
Post by Fred A Stover
Some of us do. It is also a judgment, for the ones who stand again have been
judged His.
Hmm.
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
What I mean is it God's Time or yours and my time right now today?
It is one of those gray areas I have not been given insight into
as of yet. Sorry, or I would share that insight with you all. M,
It's His time, but as in the days of Noah (Gen 7:4) He reveals it.
There's a guy periodically picking the time, but the Lord isn't going to
reveal it to some one who would broadcast it to the folks that aren't to
know until He gets here.
This should wipe out a lot of Verses that are in the Bible.
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
The day of the Lord is the 7th day (2Pt 3:10, Heb 4:4,7). The first
millennial day is the day Adam died at 930 years of age: "But of the
tree of
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the
day
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die" (Gen 2:17).
This is speakng of a God day, not a earth day nor a christian day, nor
a Prophetic day.
Each has it own application/s.
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
.
Then there are "the last days," the three at the end beginning with
His
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
first coming and ending at the judgment (Is 2:2, Acts 2:17, Heb 1:2)
The Day of the Lord is the last day of the three last days (2Pt
3:10).
Post by Mistylien
No 3 days in this one Sorry,
Try again to explain the 3 last days and where did you get them from in
Prophecy of the Bible.
Hosea 6:2.
(Israel Unrepentant)
read the whole chapter.
M,
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
Lit. 101. Like any author, the Author defines His terms. As we read we
grasp
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
what He means as He uses His words, and it is the understanding of His
terms
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
that is missing. We've been in the last days since His first coming (Is
2:2,
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
Acts 2:17, Heb 1:2), not the last day.
Is 2: 2 In the last days
the mountain of the LORD's temple will be established
as chief among the mountains;
it will be raised above the hills,
and all nations will stream to it.
17" 'In the last days, God says,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your young men will see visions,
your old men will dream dreams.
2but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he
appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.
In our world of today we see a beastly organization that has been in
the world for a long long time.
It had a beginning one day some time in the past.
So I must beg to differ with you that that "MAN OF SIN" indeed did
reveal himself and many followed in his office of such high esteem.
His office did continue on for the prophesied 1260 Prophetic "days"
until that office did receave it's deadly Wound.
This why I say you may need a crash corse in Bible Prophecy to understand
how that all works out and is applied to History from Bible Prophecy.
Our Problem remains as to just how to read Prophecy because most
of us have missed the Keys that the Bible itself has giving us.
However God does give us teachers to show us some of the things
we have missed when we read His Written Word so fast that
we are not able to remember exactly what we read.
Well after all it is a big book or library to try to memorize.
OH we have such a large set of pride in us that we may never submit to
The many facets of His infinite wisdome that He shares with us in
His Word.
True.
Post by Mistylien
I am just walking on egg shells here with you and not giving it to\
you all at one time.
As most bolt and run about this very time when somthing very
imoprtant is about to be revealed to them of a insight to God's
Word.
M,
Post by Fred A Stover
His,
--
For 1600 years the Bible said: "For many deceivers are entering into the
world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is coming in the flesh. This is
a
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
deceiver and an antichrist."
The original Greek text of the Bible and the Vulgate tranlation read
"Jesus
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
Christ is coming in the flesh" because coming is in the present active
participle. The earliest versions that I've found to mistranslate the
present participle "is coming" as "is/has come," are the Douay-Rheims NT
(1582) and the King James (1611).
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God
as
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
a little child, he shall not enter therein. (Mark 10:15)
<)))))><
Preparing the way of the Lord.
Fred A Stover
2007-07-24 20:39:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
Snip<
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
He has been coming now for 2,000 years.
Which of the thousand is the right one?
There are seven. Which one's the seventh?
Jesus came into the world about 2 to 4 BC.
so it is after that that he was to come again after his Death on
the Cross.
His first coming wasn't His birth. He and John were the two witnesses
prophesying His first coming: "Ye shall not have gone over the cities of
Israel, till the Son of man be come" (Mt 10:23), coming as prophesied in Mt
Oh yes they were 2 witnesses alright but not "THE 2 TWO WITNESSES"
Of Revelation 11 now , Were they? or is that what you are trying to give us?
No, they were the witnesses to the first coming, but they were the two olive
trees and two candlesticks (Rev 11:4) at the time. Prophetic of the ones to
come.
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
Matthew 21:5-9
Tell ye the daughter of Sion, Behold, thy King cometh unto thee, meek,
and sitting upon an ass, and a colt the foal of an ass. [6] And the
disciples went, and did as Jesus commanded them, [7] And brought the ass,
and the colt, and put on them their clothes, and they set him thereon. [8]
And a very great multitude spread their garments in the way; others cut down
branches from the trees, and strawed them in the way. [9] And the multitudes
that went before, and that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna to the Son of
David: Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the
highest.
I too believe that was his first coming.
Post by Fred A Stover
And His next coming is for the seventh day.
Where do you get this from?
2Pet 3:10 {the day of the Lord) & Heb 4:4,7
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
Some of us do. It is also a judgment, for the ones who stand again have been
judged His.
Hmm.
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
What I mean is it God's Time or yours and my time right now today?
It is one of those gray areas I have not been given insight into
as of yet. Sorry, or I would share that insight with you all. M,
It's His time, but as in the days of Noah (Gen 7:4) He reveals it.
There's a guy periodically picking the time, but the Lord isn't going to
reveal it to some one who would broadcast it to the folks that aren't to
know until He gets here.
This should wipe out a lot of Verses that are in the Bible.
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
The day of the Lord is the 7th day (2Pt 3:10, Heb 4:4,7). The first
millennial day is the day Adam died at 930 years of age: "But of the
tree of
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the
day
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die" (Gen 2:17).
This is speakng of a God day, not a earth day nor a christian day, nor
a Prophetic day.
Each has it own application/s.
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
.
Then there are "the last days," the three at the end beginning with
His
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
first coming and ending at the judgment (Is 2:2, Acts 2:17, Heb 1:2)
The Day of the Lord is the last day of the three last days (2Pt
3:10).
Post by Mistylien
No 3 days in this one Sorry,
Try again to explain the 3 last days and where did you get them from in
Prophecy of the Bible.
Hosea 6:2.
(Israel Unrepentant)
read the whole chapter.
I did. They repent when His grace is given (Zech 12:10).
Ezek 37:12
Post by Mistylien
M,
His,
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
Lit. 101. Like any author, the Author defines His terms. As we read we
grasp
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
what He means as He uses His words, and it is the understanding of His
terms
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
that is missing. We've been in the last days since His first coming (Is
2:2,
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
Acts 2:17, Heb 1:2), not the last day.
Is 2: 2 In the last days
the mountain of the LORD's temple will be established
as chief among the mountains;
it will be raised above the hills,
and all nations will stream to it.
17" 'In the last days, God says,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your young men will see visions,
your old men will dream dreams.
2but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he
appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.
In our world of today we see a beastly organization that has been in
the world for a long long time.
It had a beginning one day some time in the past.
So I must beg to differ with you that that "MAN OF SIN" indeed did
reveal himself and many followed in his office of such high esteem.
His office did continue on for the prophesied 1260 Prophetic "days"
until that office did receave it's deadly Wound.
This why I say you may need a crash corse in Bible Prophecy to understand
how that all works out and is applied to History from Bible Prophecy.
Our Problem remains as to just how to read Prophecy because most
of us have missed the Keys that the Bible itself has giving us.
However God does give us teachers to show us some of the things
we have missed when we read His Written Word so fast that
we are not able to remember exactly what we read.
Well after all it is a big book or library to try to memorize.
OH we have such a large set of pride in us that we may never submit to
The many facets of His infinite wisdome that He shares with us in
His Word.
True.
Post by Mistylien
I am just walking on egg shells here with you and not giving it to\
you all at one time.
As most bolt and run about this very time when somthing very
imoprtant is about to be revealed to them of a insight to God's
Word.
M,
Post by Fred A Stover
His,
--
For 1600 years the Bible said: "For many deceivers are entering into the
world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is coming in the flesh. This is
a
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
deceiver and an antichrist."
The original Greek text of the Bible and the Vulgate tranlation read
"Jesus
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
Christ is coming in the flesh" because coming is in the present active
participle. The earliest versions that I've found to mistranslate the
present participle "is coming" as "is/has come," are the Douay-Rheims NT
(1582) and the King James (1611).
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God
as
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
a little child, he shall not enter therein. (Mark 10:15)
<)))))><
Preparing the way of the Lord.
Mistylien
2007-07-25 07:53:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by Fred A Stover
Mt
Post by Mistylien
Oh yes they were 2 witnesses alright but not "THE 2 TWO WITNESSES"
Of Revelation 11 now , Were they? or is that what you are trying to give
us?
No, they were the witnesses to the first coming, but they were the two olive
trees and two candlesticks (Rev 11:4) at the time. Prophetic of the ones to
come.
Yes it is those 2 witnesses you are trying to make that application with.
but it does not wash by the keys to Prophecy when applied propperly.

They are not the 2 witnesses because the prophecy came long afer they
did their thing.

Now the 2 witnesses of Rev 11 are either the Old and the New Testaments
or one may be the antichrist himself that God is using but the secret is in
the 42 months that are a prophecit length of time that has to be
translated into literal time from Prophetic time.

Rev 11 was Prophesying about something that wold take place some time
after it was written. it is not recaping something that had already taken
place.
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
And His next coming is for the seventh day.
Where do you get this from?
2Pet 3:10 {the day of the Lord) & Heb 4:4,7
10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night;
in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise,
and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also
and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

I see no 7th year in this.

Heb 4:4-7
4For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise,

And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

5And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

6Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein,

and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because

of unbelief:

7Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after

so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden

not your hearts.



The above is not prophesying of a 7th year but it is

calling it "TODAY".

So that cut out any 7th year of any prophecy.

See He says today we can enter into his rest and not have to

wait for some other day.

"TODAY" is a Christian Day in the Bible.

Today if you hear the word of God do not harden your hearts.



4For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: "And on the seventh day
God rested from all his work." 5And again in the passage above he says, "They shall never
enter my rest."

6It still remains that some will enter that rest, and those who formerly had the gospel
preached to them did not go in, because of their disobedience. 7Therefore God again set a
certain day, calling it Today, when a long time later he spoke through David, as was said
before:
"Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts." 8For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have
spoken later about another day. 9There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of
God; 10for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from
his.

Again this is talking about today and entering into the Rest in the Lord and

giving up our own worldly ways to follow Christ.

I know it is a big step and few there be that will actually take that step.
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
It's His time, but as in the days of Noah (Gen 7:4) He reveals it.
There's a guy periodically picking the time, but the Lord isn't going to
reveal it to some one who would broadcast it to the folks that aren't to
know until He gets here.
This should wipe out a lot of Verses that are in the Bible.
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Fred A Stover
The day of the Lord is the 7th day (2Pt 3:10, Heb 4:4,7). The
first
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Fred A Stover
millennial day is the day Adam died at 930 years of age: "But of
the
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
tree of
Post by Fred A Stover
the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in
the
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
day
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Fred A Stover
that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die" (Gen 2:17).
This is speakng of a God day, not a earth day nor a christian day, nor
a Prophetic day.
Each has it own application/s.
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Fred A Stover
.
Then there are "the last days," the three at the end beginning
with
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
His
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Fred A Stover
first coming and ending at the judgment (Is 2:2, Acts 2:17, Heb
1:2)
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Fred A Stover
The Day of the Lord is the last day of the three last days (2Pt
3:10).
Post by Mistylien
No 3 days in this one Sorry,
Try again to explain the 3 last days and where did you get them from in
Prophecy of the Bible.
Hosea 6:2.
(Israel Unrepentant)
read the whole chapter.
I did. They repent when His grace is given (Zech 12:10).
10And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the
inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications:
and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and
they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son,
and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness
for his firstborn.

Some did but that was after He Was Crucified for no
"GRACE" was recognized before that time by the house
of Israel.
As a nation they REjected thier Messiah so as a nation The Messiah
rejected them, after that they could only come one at a time just
as it is today with all people.
Post by Fred A Stover
Ezek 37:12
12Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and
cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the
land of Israel.

I see no repentance here.
However some people so the word goes did come up out of
the graves and went into Jerusalem but that was after
Jesus Died on the Cross.
I can not say how long after that the graves were opened and
people came forth.

M,
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
M,
His,
Fred A Stover
2007-07-25 08:34:14 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
Mt
Post by Mistylien
Oh yes they were 2 witnesses alright but not "THE 2 TWO WITNESSES"
Of Revelation 11 now , Were they? or is that what you are trying to give
us?
No, they were the witnesses to the first coming, but they were the two olive
trees and two candlesticks (Rev 11:4) at the time. Prophetic of the ones to
come.
Yes it is those 2 witnesses you are trying to make that application with.
but it does not wash by the keys to Prophecy when applied propperly.
They are not the 2 witnesses because the prophecy came long afer they
did their thing.
The olive trees and candlesticks are the same, which prophesies the two
witnesses of Rev being the two anointed ones, Davidic and Levitical, this
time too.
Post by Mistylien
Now the 2 witnesses of Rev 11 are either the Old and the New Testaments
or one may be the antichrist himself that God is using but the secret is in
the 42 months that are a prophecit length of time that has to be
translated into literal time from Prophetic time.
Rev 11 was Prophesying about something that wold take place some time
after it was written. it is not recaping something that had already taken
place.
It introduces His coming. The two witnesses are changed in the same
twinkling of an eye (1Cor 15:52) as all the rest of His.
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And His next coming is for the seventh day.
Where do you get this from?
2Pet 3:10 {the day of the Lord) & Heb 4:4,7
10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night;
in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise,
and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also
and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
I see no 7th year in this.
Heb 4:4-7
4For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise,
And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein,
and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because
7Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after
so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden
not your hearts.
The above is not prophesying of a 7th year but it is
calling it "TODAY".
So that cut out any 7th year of any prophecy.
See He says today we can enter into his rest and not have to
wait for some other day.
"TODAY" is a Christian Day in the Bible.
Today if you hear the word of God do not harden your hearts.
4For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: "And on the seventh day
God rested from all his work." 5And again in the passage above he says, "They shall never
enter my rest."
6It still remains that some will enter that rest, and those who formerly had the gospel
preached to them did not go in, because of their disobedience. 7Therefore God again set a
certain day, calling it Today, when a long time later he spoke through David, as was said
"Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts." 8For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have
spoken later about another day. 9There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of
God; 10for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from
his.
Again this is talking about today and entering into the Rest in the Lord and
giving up our own worldly ways to follow Christ.
I know it is a big step and few there be that will actually take that step.
It does point to the 7th day, which is millennial, and which prophesies the
first siz, which make the seventh, 7th.
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It's His time, but as in the days of Noah (Gen 7:4) He reveals it.
There's a guy periodically picking the time, but the Lord isn't going to
reveal it to some one who would broadcast it to the folks that aren't to
know until He gets here.
This should wipe out a lot of Verses that are in the Bible.
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The day of the Lord is the 7th day (2Pt 3:10, Heb 4:4,7). The
first
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millennial day is the day Adam died at 930 years of age: "But of
the
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tree of
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the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in
the
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day
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that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die" (Gen 2:17).
This is speakng of a God day, not a earth day nor a christian day, nor
a Prophetic day.
Each has it own application/s.
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.
Then there are "the last days," the three at the end beginning
with
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His
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first coming and ending at the judgment (Is 2:2, Acts 2:17, Heb
1:2)
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The Day of the Lord is the last day of the three last days (2Pt
3:10).
Post by Mistylien
No 3 days in this one Sorry,
Try again to explain the 3 last days and where did you get them from in
Prophecy of the Bible.
Hosea 6:2.
(Israel Unrepentant)
read the whole chapter.
I did. They repent when His grace is given (Zech 12:10).
10And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the
and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and
they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son,
and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness
for his firstborn.
Some did but that was after He Was Crucified for no
"GRACE" was recognized before that time by the house
of Israel.
As a nation they REjected thier Messiah so as a nation The Messiah
rejected them, after that they could only come one at a time just
as it is today with all people.
Rejected them temporarily.
Post by Mistylien
Post by Fred A Stover
Ezek 37:12
12Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and
cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the
land of Israel.
I see no repentance here.
However some people so the word goes did come up out of
the graves and went into Jerusalem but that was after
Jesus Died on the Cross.
I can not say how long after that the graves were opened and
people came forth.
M,
The repentance follows their being gathered to see Him and accept Him.
This reveals that they will be there to receive His grace.




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Stan-O
2007-07-15 14:41:58 UTC
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Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
Revelation 12: 6And the woman fled into the wilderness, where
she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there
a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
The above is talking about the Christian Church and where it was
all during the Great Tribulation.
No, the woman is Israel, the sun, moon, stars of Gen 37:9,
and the child is the first resurrection (1 Cor 15:23).
No, no, no! You have it all wrong! The One Ring of Power must be taken
to the land of Mordor and cast into the fires of the Mount Doom from
which it was forged. This is the only way the ring can be destroyed.
Fred A Stover
2007-07-15 20:27:44 UTC
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On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 09:26:12 GMT, "Fred A Stover"
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Mistylien
Revelation 12: 6And the woman fled into the wilderness, where
she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there
a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
The above is talking about the Christian Church and where it was
all during the Great Tribulation.
No, the woman is Israel, the sun, moon, stars of Gen 37:9,
and the child is the first resurrection (1 Cor 15:23).
No, no, no! You have it all wrong! The One Ring of Power must be taken
to the land of Mordor and cast into the fires of the Mount Doom from
which it was forged. This is the only way the ring can be destroyed.
You're on the wrong planet. It's not a planet any more, but Pluto's yonder a
bit. It was a planet until Pastor Dave and Gatekeeper moved in, and there
went the neighboehood.


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Uncle Vic
2007-07-14 03:55:30 UTC
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Hey, wait a minute...how come the Christians get to
sit the battle out while the Jews team up with Jesus
and tag-team the forces of evil into oblivion?
Christians are wussies. Especially when it comes to the reality of death.
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Mark K. Bilbo
2007-07-14 01:00:47 UTC
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Ah yes, the white horse,
Is a myth.
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Michelle Malkin
2007-07-14 07:17:02 UTC
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Ah yes, the white horse,
Is a myth.
Really?! Hoppy and the Lone Ranger will be soooo upset.
Mark K. Bilbo
2007-07-14 13:40:08 UTC
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Ah yes, the white horse,
Is a myth.
Really?! Hoppy and the Lone Ranger will be soooo upset.
Myth! Myth!

(Yeth? Yeth?)
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Dubh Ghall
2007-07-15 14:47:31 UTC
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Ah yes, the white horse,
Is a myth.
And it is lousy whisky, too.

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Christopher A.Lee
2007-07-16 15:00:18 UTC
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Post by v***@aol.com
Ah yes, the white horse,
Is a myth.
No it's not. It's cut in the side of a chalk hill and is 3,000 years
old. You can see it from the train.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Horse_Hills

There are many of these in England.
Mark K. Bilbo
2007-07-17 13:31:10 UTC
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Post by v***@aol.com
Ah yes, the white horse,
Is a myth.
No it's not. It's cut in the side of a chalk hill and is 3,000 years
old. You can see it from the train.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Horse_Hills
There are many of these in England.
Apocalypses?

Bloody weather!
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p***@hotmail.com
2007-07-14 01:11:06 UTC
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On Jul 13, 6:09 pm, ***@aol.com wrote:

"..and it's gonna be us!"

snip crap

"Four Horsemen", The Clash c.1979

Well they were given the grapes that go ripe in
the sun
That loosen the screws at the back of the tongue
But they told no one where they had begun-four horsemen

They were given al lthe foods of vanity
And all the instant promises of immortality
Buyt they bit the dust screamin' insanity!-four horsemen

One was over the edge, one was over the cliff
One was lickin' em dry with a bloody great spliff
When they picked up the hiker he didn't want the lift
From the horsemen
But you!
You're not searching, are you now?
You're not looking anyhow
You're never gonna ride that lonely mile
Or put yourself up on trial
Oh, you told me how your life was so bad
An' I agree that it does seem sad
But that's the price that you gotta pay
If you're lazing all around all day
Four horsement coming right through
Four horsemen and they're pissing by you
They make you look like you're wearing a truss
Four hosemen and it's gonna be us

Well they gave useverything for bending the mind
And we cleaned out their pockets and we drank 'em blind
IT's a long way to the finish so don't get left behind
By those horsemen

And they gave us the grapes that went ripe in the sun
That loosen the scews at the back of the tongue
But we still told nothing 'bout what was to come
Four horsemen"

-Joe Strummer/Mick Jones
Fred A Stover
2007-07-14 01:49:28 UTC
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<snip>
REVELATION Chapter 6
"And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a
BOW; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering,
and
to conquer."
The white horse represents the horse upon which God's Witness (Rev.
19
v 11 & 1 v 5) (Isaiah 43 v 12) rides, as in Revelation 19 v 11.
^^^^^^^^^^
nwd
You are so wrong, it's not funny. NOT in the Bible is God's word been
represented by a ~bow~. God's word is represented by the word ~SWORD~!
Rev 2:16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will
fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
Look up the word ~sword~ in the Bible.
The white horse you speak about, without knowing what you are saying,
I might add, is the 1st horse of the Apocalypse. That seal has already
been! The 2nd horse or seal is on the horizon!
You are NOTHING more than a WANNA-BE prophet!
www.zionministry.com
Try going there if you want to get your facts right!
Ah yes, the white horse, with the rider armed with a bow. This is a
representation of the false religions, namely the Muslim religion,
which will be responsible for the third world war. The second
horseman represents war, which then brings famine, and results in
pestilence.
I'm underwhelmed by the scriptural references.

The first horseman wears a stephanos, our crown. It is the next horseman who
takes peace from the earth

Gen. 49:9 Judah is a lion's whelp..
Rev. 5:5 . the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David .
Rev. 19:11 .behold a white horse; and he that sat on him
Deut. 33:22 . Dan is a lion's whelp .
Rev. 6:2 behold a white horse: and he that sat on him .
Ps. 110:1 Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your
footstool.
Matt. 22:44 Sit on my right hand, till I make your enemies your
footstool
Mark 12:36 Sit on my right hand, till I make your enemies your footstool
Lk 20:42-43 Sit on my right hand, till I make your enemies your footstool
Act 2:34-35 Sit on my right hand, till I make your foes your footstool.
Hb 1:13 Sit on my right hand, till I make your enemies your
footstool
Hb 10:12-13 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for
ever, sat
down on the right hand of God; From henceforth
expecting till his enemies
Be made his footstool
That's why Michael wasn't standing:
Daniel 12:1
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth
for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such
as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that
time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in
the book. ]
Post by v***@aol.com
For a time, and perhaps even now, people thought it was Jesus riding
the white horse of the apocalypse, coming to judge. Jesus will be
equipped with a sword of vengeance, not a bow.
Muslims and the Koran base all the violence that they've been doing in
the name of Allah. This is what makes them fierce and dedicated,
taking even the U.S. Army to its limits. But it's a false religion,
and they will be destroyed somewhat by Russia, China, Germany, etc.
When Israel is threatened by this new world superpower, this monster
that seems unstoppable, that's when Jesus descends from heaven with
His army and he will obliterate this new monster, and the blood will
flow to the height of a horse's bridle in the valley of Armageddon.
Christians who are spared this colossal war are the ones who've been
caught up in the Rapture. The pre-tribulation Rapture.
The rapture is at His coming. "But every man in his own order: Christ the
firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming (parousia)" (1
Cor 15:23).


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Uncle Vic
2007-07-14 04:09:05 UTC
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Post by Fred A Stover
The rapture is at His coming. "But every man in his own order: Christ
the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming
(parousia)" (1 Cor 15:23).
Revelation 1:7

Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they [also]
which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him.
Even so, Amen.

If every eye shall see him, the earth is flat. Since we know the earth is
a sphere, those over the horizon from the event will *not* see him. No,
godboy, cable TV doesn't count.

Those who pierced Him are long dead now. I guess this means Rev. 1:7 is a
false prophesy, therefore the Bible lies and should never be taken
seriously.

Time to grow up, godboy.
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Fred A Stover
2007-07-14 09:26:13 UTC
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Post by Fred A Stover
The rapture is at His coming. "But every man in his own order: Christ
the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming
(parousia)" (1 Cor 15:23).
Revelation 1:7
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they [also]
which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him.
Even so, Amen.
If every eye shall see him, the earth is flat. Since we know the earth is
a sphere, those over the horizon from the event will *not* see him. No,
godboy, cable TV doesn't count.
You missed a verse:

Matthew 24:27
For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the
west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Post by Uncle Vic
Those who pierced Him are long dead now. I guess this means Rev. 1:7 is a
false prophesy, therefore the Bible lies and should never be taken
seriously.
You missed a bunch of verses, but this will do:

"Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out
of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel" (Ezek 37:12).
Post by Uncle Vic
Time to grow up, godboy.
Already have, Bubba.
Post by Uncle Vic
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Uncle Vic
2007-07-14 16:30:09 UTC
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Post by Uncle Vic
Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his
coming (parousia)" (1 Cor 15:23).
Revelation 1:7
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they
[also]
Post by Uncle Vic
which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because
of
him.
Post by Uncle Vic
Even so, Amen.
If every eye shall see him, the earth is flat. Since we know the
earth is a sphere, those over the horizon from the event will *not*
see him. No, godboy, cable TV doesn't count.
Matthew 24:27
For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the
west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Sure, it also mentions the "four corners of the earth", too. What about
Australia?
Post by Uncle Vic
Post by Uncle Vic
Those who pierced Him are long dead now. I guess this means Rev. 1:7
is a false prophesy, therefore the Bible lies and should never be
taken seriously.
"Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come
up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel" (Ezek
37:12).
Too bad for the cremated, eh? Or those who were vaporized on 9-11.
Post by Uncle Vic
Post by Uncle Vic
Time to grow up, godboy.
Already have, Bubba.
Post by Uncle Vic
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Fred A Stover
2007-07-15 07:02:26 UTC
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Post by Uncle Vic
Post by Uncle Vic
Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his
coming (parousia)" (1 Cor 15:23).
Revelation 1:7
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they
[also]
Post by Uncle Vic
which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because
of
him.
Post by Uncle Vic
Even so, Amen.
If every eye shall see him, the earth is flat. Since we know the
earth is a sphere, those over the horizon from the event will *not*
see him. No, godboy, cable TV doesn't count.
Matthew 24:27
For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the
west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Sure, it also mentions the "four corners of the earth", too. What about
Australia?
On my map of the world it's in the south-west corner.
Post by Uncle Vic
Post by Uncle Vic
Post by Uncle Vic
Those who pierced Him are long dead now. I guess this means Rev. 1:7
is a false prophesy, therefore the Bible lies and should never be
taken seriously.
"Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come
up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel" (Ezek
37:12).
Too bad for the cremated, eh? Or those who were vaporized on 9-11.
No problem for Him. He started with less.
Post by Uncle Vic
Post by Uncle Vic
Post by Uncle Vic
Time to grow up, godboy.
Already have, Bubba.
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Uncle Vic
2007-07-15 16:43:05 UTC
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Post by Uncle Vic
Post by Fred A Stover
"Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come
up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel" (Ezek
37:12).
Too bad for the cremated, eh? Or those who were vaporized on 9-11.
No problem for Him. He started with less.
Then why didn't he just create us in heaven already? What's with the
charade?
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Elroy Willis
2007-07-15 20:11:23 UTC
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Post by Uncle Vic
Post by Fred A Stover
Post by Uncle Vic
Post by Fred A Stover
"Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come
up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel" (Ezek
37:12).
Too bad for the cremated, eh? Or those who were vaporized on 9-11.
No problem for Him. He started with less.
Then why didn't he just create us in heaven already? What's with the
charade?
He wants you to bow down to his authority willingly, before you die.
Isn't that what the charade is all about? Prostrate yourself before
the creator of the ENTIRE universe in order to make it to heaven!
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2007-07-15 20:48:46 UTC
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He wants you to bow down to his authority willingly, before you die.
Isn't that what the charade is all about? Prostrate yourself before
the creator of the ENTIRE universe in order to make it to heaven!
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. Ambassador's Creed

An ambassador is.

o Ready. An Ambassador is alert for chances to represent Christ and
will not back away from a challenge or an opportunity.

o Patient. An Ambassador won't quarrel, but will listen in order to
understand, then with gentleness seek to respectfully engage those who
disagree.

o Reasonable. An Ambassador has informed convictions (not just
feelings), gives reasons, asks questions, aggressively seeks answers, and
will not be stumped by the same challenge twice.

o Tactical. An Ambassador adapts to each unique person and situation,
maneuvering with wisdom to challenge bad thinking, presenting the truth
in an understandable and compelling way.

o Clear. An Ambassador is careful with language, and will not rely on
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o Fair. An Ambassador is sympathetic and understanding towards
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o Honest. An Ambassador is careful with the facts and will not
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demands of the Gospel.

o Humble. An Ambassador is provisional in his claims, knowing that
his understanding of truth is fallible, and will not press a point beyond
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o Attractive. An Ambassador will act with grace, kindness, and good
manners and will not dishonor Christ in his conduct.

o Dependent. An Ambassador knows that effectiveness requires joining
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Fred A Stover
2007-07-15 20:29:56 UTC
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"Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come
up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel" (Ezek
37:12).
Too bad for the cremated, eh? Or those who were vaporized on 9-11.
No problem for Him. He started with less.
Then why didn't he just create us in heaven already? What's with the
charade?
I'll ask Him when He gets here.

His,
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Elroy Willis
2007-07-15 20:08:07 UTC
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"Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come
up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel" (Ezek
37:12).
Too bad for the cremated, eh? Or those who were vaporized on 9-11.
No problem for Him. He started with less.
He'll recreate people from their ashes just so he can torture them for
eternity, if they don't bow down to him, eh? What a guy!

You must be pretty scared of him in order to believe that, eh?
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Uncle Vic
2007-07-14 03:54:26 UTC
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Ah yes, the white horse, with the rider armed with a bow. This is a
representation of the false religions, namely the Muslim religion,
So who is right, Padre? Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindi, Buddhists, or
atheists? Please support your answer with verifiable facts.

Your refusal to answer is tacit admittance that religion is a crock of
shit, no matter where it comes from.
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Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.
Abrams1117
2007-07-14 06:31:01 UTC
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Ah yes, the white horse, with the rider armed with a bow. This is a
representation of the false religions, namely the Muslim religion,
So who is right, Padre? Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindi, Buddhists, or
atheists? Please support your answer with verifiable facts.
Your refusal to answer is tacit admittance that religion is a crock of
shit, no matter where it comes from.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.
Google the annual Holy Days.

Can you give any explanation how they were fulfilled other then by G-
D?

If you can't, then Jesus Christ from the tribe of Judah is the son of
the one true Almighty G-D.
Douglas Berry
2007-07-14 15:27:38 UTC
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Post by Uncle Vic
Post by v***@aol.com
Ah yes, the white horse, with the rider armed with a bow. This is a
representation of the false religions, namely the Muslim religion,
So who is right, Padre? Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindi, Buddhists, or
atheists? Please support your answer with verifiable facts.
Your refusal to answer is tacit admittance that religion is a crock of
shit, no matter where it comes from.
Google the annual Holy Days.
For which religion?
Post by Abrams1117
Can you give any explanation how they were fulfilled other then by G-
D?
Hmm. How about this? They are mythical or exaggerated retellings of
more mundane events.

Did you know that George Washington cut down a cherry tree as a child
and then told the truth about it? That he three a silver coin across
the Potomac? Both cherished stories about our first President, and
bith fakes. Made up by writers seeking to expand the aura of the man
into legened.

Can you prove that the Grand Canyon wasn't created by Paul Bunyan
swinging his axe into the ground?
Post by Abrams1117
If you can't, then Jesus Christ from the tribe of Judah is the son of
the one true Almighty G-D.
Prove that claim.

Oh, and you can write God. We don't care, really.
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Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
Abrams1117
2007-07-15 06:03:24 UTC
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Post by Abrams1117
Post by Uncle Vic
Post by v***@aol.com
Ah yes, the white horse, with the rider armed with a bow. This is a
representation of the false religions, namely the Muslim religion,
So who is right, Padre? Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindi, Buddhists, or
atheists? Please support your answer with verifiable facts.
Your refusal to answer is tacit admittance that religion is a crock of
shit, no matter where it comes from.
Google the annual Holy Days.
For which religion?
Post by Abrams1117
Can you give any explanation how they were fulfilled other then by G-D?
Hmm. How about this? They are mythical or exaggerated retellings of
more mundane events.
Did you know that George Washington cut down a cherry tree as a child
and then told the truth about it? That he three a silver coin across
the Potomac? Both cherished stories about our first President, and
bith fakes. Made up by writers seeking to expand the aura of the man
into legened.
Can you prove that the Grand Canyon wasn't created by Paul Bunyan
swinging his axe into the ground?
Post by Abrams1117
If you can't, then Jesus Christ from the tribe of Judah is the son of the one true Almighty G-D.
Prove that claim.
I just gave you 'proof'.

Are you so full of hate that you cannot see?

If this were a science, or technology, or chemistry forum you would
easily understand that simple post.

Why so much hatred that you are blinded?
Post by Douglas Berry
Oh, and you can write God. We don't care, really.
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Perhaps G-D cares.
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Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
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"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
Uncle Vic
2007-07-15 06:44:54 UTC
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Post by Douglas Berry
Post by Abrams1117
Google the annual Holy Days.
For which religion?
Post by Abrams1117
Can you give any explanation how they were fulfilled other then by G-D?
Hmm. How about this? They are mythical or exaggerated retellings of
more mundane events.
Did you know that George Washington cut down a cherry tree as a child
and then told the truth about it? That he three a silver coin across
the Potomac? Both cherished stories about our first President, and
bith fakes. Made up by writers seeking to expand the aura of the man
into legened.
Can you prove that the Grand Canyon wasn't created by Paul Bunyan
swinging his axe into the ground?
Post by Abrams1117
If you can't, then Jesus Christ from the tribe of Judah is the son
of the one true Almighty G-D.
Prove that claim.
I just gave you 'proof'.
What proof, moron? That there are holy days? The Jews have Rosh Hashana
and Passover. Is that proof that Judaism is the One True Religion? What
about Ramadan? I guess that means Islam is the One True Religion.

Idiot.
Post by Abrams1117
Are you so full of hate that you cannot see?
Hate is far fron the issue. Reality is the issue. If you want to see
what we do, you'll have to remove the bible pasted to your forehead.
Post by Abrams1117
If this were a science, or technology, or chemistry forum you would
easily understand that simple post.
Since you're apparently posting from a religious NG, we understand your
lack of intelligence.
Post by Abrams1117
Why so much hatred that you are blinded?
Why are you so insistent that hatred is the cause of atheism? The bible
itself is quite a good cause for the religious to lose faith. Other than
that, atheism is the default position, which is where I began.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.
Abrams1117
2007-07-15 18:55:46 UTC
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Post by Abrams1117
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Post by Abrams1117
Google the annual Holy Days.
For which religion?
Post by Abrams1117
Can you give any explanation how they were fulfilled other then by G-D?
Hmm. How about this? They are mythical or exaggerated retellings of
more mundane events.
Did you know that George Washington cut down a cherry tree as a child
and then told the truth about it? That he three a silver coin across
the Potomac? Both cherished stories about our first President, and
bith fakes. Made up by writers seeking to expand the aura of the man
into legened.
Can you prove that the Grand Canyon wasn't created by Paul Bunyan
swinging his axe into the ground?
Post by Abrams1117
If you can't, then Jesus Christ from the tribe of Judah is the son
of the one true Almighty G-D.
Prove that claim.
I just gave you 'proof'.
What proof, moron? That there are holy days? The Jews have Rosh Hashana
and Passover. Is that proof that Judaism is the One True Religion? What
about Ramadan? I guess that means Islam is the One True Religion.
Idiot.
Post by Abrams1117
Are you so full of hate that you cannot see?
Hate is far fron the issue. Reality is the issue. If you want to see
what we do, you'll have to remove the bible pasted to your forehead.
Post by Abrams1117
If this were a science, or technology, or chemistry forum you would
easily understand that simple post.
Since you're apparently posting from a religious NG, we understand your lack of intelligence.
You display the entropy of a non-bouncing universe at the plank time
of the big crunch.
Post by Uncle Vic
Post by Abrams1117
Why so much hatred that you are blinded?
Why are you so insistent that hatred is the cause of atheism? The bible
itself is quite a good cause for the religious to lose faith. Other than
that, atheism is the default position, which is where I began.
Atheism? I posted nothing about atheism. Where did you get that from?

As for hate; your words: moron, idiot. That is hate.

As for proof. I told you, more than once to look into it, You refuse
to do that.

You can say 'So what, Christ is mentioned by historians. It doesn't
mean he was the son of G-D'.
You can say 'Big deal, historians claim that Cyrus and Alexander saw
themselves in scripture'.

Yet, without looking into the annual Holy Days you cannot even reply
to this question.
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2007-07-15 20:13:52 UTC
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As for hate; your words: moron, idiot. That is hate.
It's just an observation.
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Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.
FYI
2007-07-15 20:45:20 UTC
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Elroy Willis
2007-07-15 20:26:56 UTC
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Post by Uncle Vic
Since you're apparently posting from a religious NG, we understand your lack
of intelligence.
You display the entropy of a non-bouncing universe at the plank time
of the big crunch.
Wow, never seen that comparison before...
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www.elroysemporium.com
Douglas Berry
2007-07-15 21:52:55 UTC
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Post by Abrams1117
Yet, without looking into the annual Holy Days you cannot even reply
to this question.
I ask again, which holy days? Both of the majo0r Christian holidays
are direct rip-offs of older pagan holidays.

Be specific - which Holy Days do you want us to examine?
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Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
Douglas Berry
2007-07-15 15:01:29 UTC
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Post by Abrams1117
Post by Douglas Berry
Post by Abrams1117
Google the annual Holy Days.
For which religion?
No answer.
Post by Abrams1117
Post by Douglas Berry
Post by Abrams1117
Can you give any explanation how they were fulfilled other then by G-D?
Hmm. How about this? They are mythical or exaggerated retellings of
more mundane events.
Did you know that George Washington cut down a cherry tree as a child
and then told the truth about it? That he three a silver coin across
the Potomac? Both cherished stories about our first President, and
bith fakes. Made up by writers seeking to expand the aura of the man
into legened.
Can you prove that the Grand Canyon wasn't created by Paul Bunyan
swinging his axe into the ground?
No answer.
Post by Abrams1117
Post by Douglas Berry
Post by Abrams1117
If you can't, then Jesus Christ from the tribe of Judah is the son of the one true Almighty G-D.
Prove that claim.
I just gave you 'proof'.
No, you didn't. The existence of holidays proves only that people
decided to hold a festival.
Post by Abrams1117
Are you so full of hate that you cannot see?
No hate at all. Just logic.
Post by Abrams1117
If this were a science, or technology, or chemistry forum you would
easily understand that simple post.
I understand that post. I understand that you have no real proof of
your claims, and expect us to take the existence of holidays as proof.

Did you know that Easter falls at the same time as the feasts of
Osiris and Dionysus.. two gods who were also killed and rose from the
dead? Amusingly, Dionysus was fathered by Zeus on a virginal woman!
Gee, does that story sound familiar?
Post by Abrams1117
Why so much hatred that you are blinded?
Why so much ignorance of reality?
Post by Abrams1117
Post by Douglas Berry
Oh, and you can write God. We don't care, really.
Perhaps G-D cares.
Can you have him come to my door and explain why he hates vowels?
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Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
Abrams1117
2007-07-15 21:09:44 UTC
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Post by Douglas Berry
On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 23:03:24 -0700 there was an Ancient Abrams1117
Post by Abrams1117
Post by Douglas Berry
Post by Abrams1117
Google the annual Holy Days.
For which religion?
No answer.
Post by Abrams1117
Post by Douglas Berry
Post by Abrams1117
Can you give any explanation how they were fulfilled other then by G-D?
Hmm. How about this? They are mythical or exaggerated retellings of
more mundane events.
Did you know that George Washington cut down a cherry tree as a child
and then told the truth about it? That he three a silver coin across
the Potomac? Both cherished stories about our first President, and
bith fakes. Made up by writers seeking to expand the aura of the man
into legened.
Can you prove that the Grand Canyon wasn't created by Paul Bunyan
swinging his axe into the ground?
No answer.
Post by Abrams1117
Post by Douglas Berry
Post by Abrams1117
If you can't, then Jesus Christ from the tribe of Judah is the son of the one true Almighty G-D.
Prove that claim.
I just gave you 'proof'.
No, you didn't. The existence of holidays proves only that people
decided to hold a festival.
Post by Abrams1117
Are you so full of hate that you cannot see?
No hate at all. Just logic.
Post by Abrams1117
If this were a science, or technology, or chemistry forum you would
easily understand that simple post.
I understand that post. I understand that you have no real proof of
your claims, and expect us to take the existence of holidays as proof.
Did you know that Easter falls at the same time as the feasts of
Osiris and Dionysus.. two gods who were also killed and rose from the
dead? Amusingly, Dionysus was fathered by Zeus on a virginal woman!
Gee, does that story sound familiar?
Post by Abrams1117
Why so much hatred that you are blinded?
Why so much ignorance of reality?
http://www.cog21.org/site/cog_archives/ac_bcc/AC%20Bible%20Correspondence%20Course/bcc23.html

Scroll down to The Passover

I'm not looking for insults or an argument.

Simply an explanation how these events could have been 'faked' by
those involved.

Also, consider the timing of the fall Holy Days aligned with Christian
prophecies/fulfillment in chronological order.

Taking into account those involved in the writing(s), their eras and
their circumstances I fail to see how this could have been
accomplished.

thx.
Post by Douglas Berry
Post by Abrams1117
Post by Douglas Berry
Oh, and you can write God. We don't care, really.
Perhaps G-D cares.
Can you have him come to my door and explain why he hates vowels?
--
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Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
Free Lunch
2007-07-15 21:16:26 UTC
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On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 14:09:44 -0700, in alt.atheism
Post by Abrams1117
Post by Douglas Berry
On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 23:03:24 -0700 there was an Ancient Abrams1117
Post by Abrams1117
Post by Douglas Berry
Post by Abrams1117
Google the annual Holy Days.
For which religion?
No answer.
Post by Abrams1117
Post by Douglas Berry
Post by Abrams1117
Can you give any explanation how they were fulfilled other then by G-D?
Hmm. How about this? They are mythical or exaggerated retellings of
more mundane events.
Did you know that George Washington cut down a cherry tree as a child
and then told the truth about it? That he three a silver coin across
the Potomac? Both cherished stories about our first President, and
bith fakes. Made up by writers seeking to expand the aura of the man
into legened.
Can you prove that the Grand Canyon wasn't created by Paul Bunyan
swinging his axe into the ground?
No answer.
Post by Abrams1117
Post by Douglas Berry
Post by Abrams1117
If you can't, then Jesus Christ from the tribe of Judah is the son of the one true Almighty G-D.
Prove that claim.
I just gave you 'proof'.
No, you didn't. The existence of holidays proves only that people
decided to hold a festival.
Post by Abrams1117
Are you so full of hate that you cannot see?
No hate at all. Just logic.
Post by Abrams1117
If this were a science, or technology, or chemistry forum you would
easily understand that simple post.
I understand that post. I understand that you have no real proof of
your claims, and expect us to take the existence of holidays as proof.
Did you know that Easter falls at the same time as the feasts of
Osiris and Dionysus.. two gods who were also killed and rose from the
dead? Amusingly, Dionysus was fathered by Zeus on a virginal woman!
Gee, does that story sound familiar?
Post by Abrams1117
Why so much hatred that you are blinded?
Why so much ignorance of reality?
http://www.cog21.org/site/cog_archives/ac_bcc/AC%20Bible%20Correspondence%20Course/bcc23.html
Scroll down to The Passover
I'm not looking for insults or an argument.
Simply an explanation how these events could have been 'faked' by
those involved.
You are assuming that these events took place. No historical record
supports that assumption. There are no questions to answer without
evidence in support of the story.
Post by Abrams1117
Also, consider the timing of the fall Holy Days aligned with Christian
prophecies/fulfillment in chronological order.
Taking into account those involved in the writing(s), their eras and
their circumstances I fail to see how this could have been
accomplished.
thx.
Post by Douglas Berry
Post by Abrams1117
Post by Douglas Berry
Oh, and you can write God. We don't care, really.
Perhaps G-D cares.
Can you have him come to my door and explain why he hates vowels?
--
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Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
Abrams1117
2007-07-15 22:37:23 UTC
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On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 14:09:44 -0700, in alt.atheism
Post by Douglas Berry
On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 23:03:24 -0700 there was an Ancient Abrams1117
Post by Abrams1117
Post by Douglas Berry
Post by Abrams1117
Google the annual Holy Days.
For which religion?
No answer.
Post by Abrams1117
Post by Douglas Berry
Post by Abrams1117
Can you give any explanation how they were fulfilled other then by G-D?
Hmm. How about this? They are mythical or exaggerated retellings of
more mundane events.
Did you know that George Washington cut down a cherry tree as a child
and then told the truth about it? That he three a silver coin across
the Potomac? Both cherished stories about our first President, and
bith fakes. Made up by writers seeking to expand the aura of the man
into legened.
Can you prove that the Grand Canyon wasn't created by Paul Bunyan
swinging his axe into the ground?
No answer.
Post by Abrams1117
Post by Douglas Berry
Post by Abrams1117
If you can't, then Jesus Christ from the tribe of Judah is the son of the one true Almighty G-D.
Prove that claim.
I just gave you 'proof'.
No, you didn't. The existence of holidays proves only that people
decided to hold a festival.
Post by Abrams1117
Are you so full of hate that you cannot see?
No hate at all. Just logic.
Post by Abrams1117
If this were a science, or technology, or chemistry forum you would
easily understand that simple post.
I understand that post. I understand that you have no real proof of
your claims, and expect us to take the existence of holidays as proof.
Did you know that Easter falls at the same time as the feasts of
Osiris and Dionysus.. two gods who were also killed and rose from the
dead? Amusingly, Dionysus was fathered by Zeus on a virginal woman!
Gee, does that story sound familiar?
Post by Abrams1117
Why so much hatred that you are blinded?
Why so much ignorance of reality?
http://www.cog21.org/site/cog_archives/ac_bcc/AC%20Bible%20Correspond...
Scroll down to The Passover
I'm not looking for insults or an argument.
Simply an explanation how these events could have been 'faked' by
those involved.
You are assuming that these events took place. No historical record
supports that assumption. There are no questions to answer without
evidence in support of the story.
Good point! How were they faked to chronologically align with those
dates? Also, and much, much more difficult, is explaining/aligning the
future fulfillment of the next Holy Days based on Judaism-fulfilled in
Christian prophecy!
Post by Free Lunch
Also, consider the timing of the fall Holy Days aligned with Christian
prophecies/fulfillment in chronological order.
Taking into account those involved in the writing(s), their eras and
their circumstances I fail to see how this could have been
accomplished.
thx.
Post by Douglas Berry
Post by Abrams1117
Post by Douglas Berry
Oh, and you can write God. We don't care, really.
Perhaps G-D cares.
Can you have him come to my door and explain why he hates vowels?
--
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Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein- Hide quoted text -
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Elroy Willis
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Post by Abrams1117
Google the annual Holy Days.
For which religion?
Yeah, which religion and which countries?
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Elroy Willis
2007-07-15 20:24:55 UTC
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Douglas Berry <***@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism

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Post by Douglas Berry
Did you know that George Washington cut down a cherry tree as a child
and then told the truth about it? That he three a silver coin across
the Potomac? Both cherished stories about our first President, and
both fakes. Made up by writers seeking to expand the aura of the man
into legened.
The same is true of the story about Betsy Ross sewing together the
first USA flag. Pure fiction, but millions and millions of Americans
still believe it...
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www.elroysemporium.com
Mistylien
2007-07-14 07:50:53 UTC
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Post by v***@aol.com
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REVELATION Chapter 6
"And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a
BOW; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering,
and
to conquer."
The white horse represents the horse upon which God's Witness (Rev.
19
v 11 & 1 v 5) (Isaiah 43 v 12) rides, as in Revelation 19 v 11.
^^^^^^^^^^
nwd
You are so wrong, it's not funny. NOT in the Bible is God's word been
represented by a ~bow~. God's word is represented by the word ~SWORD~!
Rev 2:16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will
fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
Look up the word ~sword~ in the Bible.
The white horse you speak about, without knowing what you are saying,
I might add, is the 1st horse of the Apocalypse. That seal has already
been! The 2nd horse or seal is on the horizon!
You are NOTHING more than a WANNA-BE prophet!
www.zionministry.com
Try going there if you want to get your facts right!
Ah yes, the white horse, with the rider armed with a bow. This is a
representation of the false religions, namely the Muslim religion,
which will be responsible for the third world war. The second
horseman represents war, which then brings famine, and results in
pestilence.
read it again it says something that looks like a bow.

So check the Popes septor and you will see something that looks like
a Bow.

There is no Muslim that has something that looks like a bow they have
something that looks like an A K 47 assult rifle. and not a bow.
Post by v***@aol.com
For a time, and perhaps even now, people thought it was Jesus riding
the white horse of the apocalypse, coming to judge. Jesus will be
equipped with a sword of vengeance, not a bow.
So says Scripture. Amen and PTL.
Post by v***@aol.com
Muslims and the Koran base all the violence that they've been doing in
the name of Allah. This is what makes them fierce and dedicated,
taking even the U.S. Army to its limits. But it's a false religion,
and they will be destroyed somewhat by Russia, China, Germany, etc.
The fellow that has the thing that looks like a bow is the real Antichrist
and the Man of sin that 2 Thess 2:3 talks about.
so when did that man of sin first stand up and reveal himself?
Post by v***@aol.com
When Israel is threatened by this new world superpower, this monster
that seems unstoppable, that's when Jesus descends from heaven with
His army and he will obliterate this new monster, and the blood will
flow to the height of a horse's bridle in the valley of Armageddon.
God is allowing the anti God sect to be doing what they do until the time
of the Gentiles is complete or full.
Post by v***@aol.com
Christians who are spared this colossal war are the ones who've been
caught up in the Rapture. The pre-tribulation Rapture.
But the real Rapture has been going on now for about 2,000 years and
you all do not recognize it.
it is not Jesus coming back and a bunch of poeple goes flying off of
the face of the earth.

The Rapture is a lifting up of one understanding not the lifting up
of the physical body of any person as some are trying to say the Bible
says; Because that is not Bible teaching at all.

To see how it really works let God's word show you by reading
Luke 24,
and John 20.

M,
nwd
2007-07-14 16:53:39 UTC
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On Jul 14, 3:50?am, "Mistylien" <***@charter.net> wrote:
M:
So check the Popes septor and you will see something that looks like
a Bow.

nwd
M, look at how nutty what you have just said is!

You say the hosre with the bow is God's....then you turn around and
say the pope has the bow. The very pope you believe to be the anti-
christ!
Mistylien
2007-07-15 09:14:34 UTC
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Post by Mistylien
So check the Popes septor and you will see something that looks like
a Bow.
nwd
M, look at how nutty what you have just said is!
Nutty?
Just watch the NEWS on TV and when they show the pope you will se
He almost always has that bow that he walks with.
Post by Mistylien
You say the hosre with the bow is God's....then you turn around and
say the pope has the bow. The very pope you believe to be the anti-
christ!
show me were I said The pope is God.

He presents himself as god to the RCC patrons and they excep it with out
question.

But in Truth that office is the office of the arch antichrist
nwd
2007-07-15 16:44:02 UTC
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Post by Mistylien
Post by Mistylien
So check the Popes septor and you will see something that looks like
a Bow.
nwd
M, look at how nutty what you have just said is!
Nutty?
Just watch the NEWS on TV and when they show the pope you will se
He almost always has that bow that he walks with.
Post by Mistylien
You say the hosre with the bow is God's....then you turn around and
say the pope has the bow. The very pope you believe to be the anti-
christ!
show me were I said The pope is God.
nwd:
We were talking about the 1st horseman, right? That he is riding on a
white horse with a bow, right? That Rob says this horse and horseman
is of God, right? I said this horseman and horse is NOT of GOD....that
if he were of God he would have a SWORD, right? That God's word is
liken to a SWORD not a bow, right? Then you pop-up and say the pope
has something that looks like a bow, right? I took it you were saying
the hosreman with the bow is from God, so the good-old pope must have
the bow of God, is this right? How in the world you got the pope into
this, is beyond me. In the endtime the pope is going to be JUST like
everyone....running for his life! The pope has NOTHING to do with
endtimes!

When you look to Rome and Vatican City you are looking WRONG!
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Post by Mistylien
He presents himself as god to the RCC patrons and they excep it with out
question.
But in Truth that office is the office of the arch antichrist
nwd
2007-07-15 17:07:01 UTC
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I apologize that my post came to your group....it was not my
intention.

nwd
Post by nwd
Post by Mistylien
Post by Mistylien
So check the Popes septor and you will see something that looks like
a Bow.
nwd
M, look at how nutty what you have just said is!
Nutty?
Just watch the NEWS on TV and when they show the pope you will se
He almost always has that bow that he walks with.
Post by Mistylien
You say the hosre with the bow is God's....then you turn around and
say the pope has the bow. The very pope you believe to be the anti-
christ!
show me were I said The pope is God.
We were talking about the 1st horseman, right? That he is riding on a
white horse with a bow, right? That Rob says this horse and horseman
is of God, right? I said this horseman and horse is NOT of GOD....that
if he were of God he would have a SWORD, right? That God's word is
liken to a SWORD not a bow, right? Then you pop-up and say the pope
has something that looks like a bow, right? I took it you were saying
the hosreman with the bow is from God, so the good-old pope must have
the bow of God, is this right? How in the world you got the pope into
this, is beyond me. In the endtime the pope is going to be JUST like
everyone....running for his life! The pope has NOTHING to do with
endtimes!
When you look to Rome and Vatican City you are looking WRONG!
^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Mistylien
2007-07-16 08:29:49 UTC
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Post by nwd
Post by Mistylien
Post by Mistylien
So check the Popes septor and you will see something that looks like
a Bow.
nwd
M, look at how nutty what you have just said is!
Nutty?
Just watch the NEWS on TV and when they show the pope you will se
He almost always has that bow that he walks with.
Post by Mistylien
You say the hosre with the bow is God's....then you turn around and
say the pope has the bow. The very pope you believe to be the anti-
christ!
show me were I said The pope is God.
We were talking about the 1st horseman, right? That he is riding on a
white horse with a bow, right? That Rob says this horse and horseman
is of God, right? I said this horseman and horse is NOT of GOD....that
if he were of God he would have a SWORD, right? That God's word is
liken to a SWORD not a bow, right? Then you pop-up and say the pope
has something that looks like a bow, right? I took it you were saying
the hosreman with the bow is from God, so the good-old pope must have
the bow of God, is this right? How in the world you got the pope into
this, is beyond me. In the endtime the pope is going to be JUST like
everyone....running for his life! The pope has NOTHING to do with
endtimes!
What I did say is it is in bible prophecy even way back in the Old
Testament (witness)
god is allowing it to be in place to deal with the world of rebels.
I think God's Word say it is in place until the time of the gentiles is
come to fullness or to completness some such anyway.
but it is not God's doing.
You Need to take a whole course in Bible prophecy to learn the rest
of that story.
It may not be of God but God is letting it be in existance for a time, times
and half time, right up to when it receives it deadly wound you may
read about in Rev 13. if you are into Bible reading anyway that is.

But until you read all of the 28th Chapter of Isaiah It does not even
pay you to try to understand Bible Prophecy.
and may I remind you you are posting in Bible Prophecy News Group now.
Post by nwd
When you look to Rome and Vatican City you are looking WRONG!
The Bible is a story about 2 women
One the Bride of the lamb.
The other is the Harlot that is apposed to the Bride as is the whole
History of the world.

The harlot is appose to the mariage of the Bride and some
Sect is that Harlot.

The Bride is the chosen of the Husband man and produces more and
build up for her Bride.

Well some other time I may give you some bible prophecy lessons
when it is time for you to learn it.
Post by nwd
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Post by Mistylien
He presents himself as god to the RCC patrons and they excep it with out
question.
But in Truth that office is the office of the arch antichrist
Or the Harlot as told about in Rev 17:1-5.
Cary Kittrell
2007-07-14 18:38:59 UTC
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In article <***@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com> ***@aol.com writes:

{...}
Post by v***@aol.com
Muslims and the Koran base all the violence that they've been doing in
the name of Allah. This is what makes them fierce and dedicated,
taking even the U.S. Army to its limits. But it's a false religion,
and they will be destroyed somewhat by Russia, China, Germany, etc.
When Israel is threatened by this new world superpower, this monster
that seems unstoppable, that's when Jesus descends from heaven with
His army and he will obliterate this new monster, and the blood will
flow to the height of a horse's bridle in the valley of Armageddon.
Hmmm, seems a bit unlikely.

Assuming a horse's bridle to be at 6 feet, all of the blood
of all of the humans in the world would only require a squarish
valley a little over two and one-half miles on a side.


-- cary
Richard Smol
2007-07-15 20:38:34 UTC
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Post by v***@aol.com
<snip>
REVELATION Chapter 6
"And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a
BOW; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering,
and
to conquer."
The white horse represents the horse upon which God's Witness (Rev.
19
v 11 & 1 v 5) (Isaiah 43 v 12) rides, as in Revelation 19 v 11.
^^^^^^^^^^
nwd
You are so wrong, it's not funny. NOT in the Bible is God's word been
represented by a ~bow~. God's word is represented by the word ~SWORD~!
Rev 2:16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will
fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
Look up the word ~sword~ in the Bible.
The white horse you speak about, without knowing what you are saying,
I might add, is the 1st horse of the Apocalypse. That seal has already
been! The 2nd horse or seal is on the horizon!
You are NOTHING more than a WANNA-BE prophet!
www.zionministry.com
Try going there if you want to get your facts right!
Ah yes, the white horse, with the rider armed with a bow. This is a
representation of the false religions, namely the Muslim religion,
which will be responsible for the third world war. The second
horseman represents war, which then brings famine, and results in
pestilence.
<- snip ->

Obviously you can attribute anything ot the images of those four
horsemen. The simplest explanation of course is that they are nothing
but the products of a feverish imagination.

RS
Abrams1117
2007-07-15 22:34:21 UTC
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Post by Richard Smol
Post by v***@aol.com
<snip>
REVELATION Chapter 6
"And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a
BOW; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering,
and
to conquer."
The white horse represents the horse upon which God's Witness (Rev.
19
v 11 & 1 v 5) (Isaiah 43 v 12) rides, as in Revelation 19 v 11.
^^^^^^^^^^
nwd
You are so wrong, it's not funny. NOT in the Bible is God's word been
represented by a ~bow~. God's word is represented by the word ~SWORD~!
Rev 2:16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will
fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
Look up the word ~sword~ in the Bible.
The white horse you speak about, without knowing what you are saying,
I might add, is the 1st horse of the Apocalypse. That seal has already
been! The 2nd horse or seal is on the horizon!
You are NOTHING more than a WANNA-BE prophet!
www.zionministry.com
Try going there if you want to get your facts right!
Ah yes, the white horse, with the rider armed with a bow. This is a
representation of the false religions, namely the Muslim religion,
which will be responsible for the third world war. The second
horseman represents war, which then brings famine, and results in
pestilence.
<- snip ->
Obviously you can attribute anything ot the images of those four
horsemen.
Back to my first post in this thread. Matthew 24 explains the seals.



The simplest explanation of course is that they are nothing
Post by Richard Smol
but the products of a feverish imagination.
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r***@gmail.com
2007-07-16 08:41:32 UTC
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Post by Abrams1117
Post by Richard Smol
Post by v***@aol.com
<snip>
REVELATION Chapter 6
"And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a
BOW; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering,
and
to conquer."
The white horse represents the horse upon which God's Witness (Rev.
19
v 11 & 1 v 5) (Isaiah 43 v 12) rides, as in Revelation 19 v 11.
^^^^^^^^^^
nwd
You are so wrong, it's not funny. NOT in the Bible is God's word been
represented by a ~bow~. God's word is represented by the word ~SWORD~!
Rev 2:16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will
fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
Look up the word ~sword~ in the Bible.
The white horse you speak about, without knowing what you are saying,
I might add, is the 1st horse of the Apocalypse. That seal has already
been! The 2nd horse or seal is on the horizon!
You are NOTHING more than a WANNA-BE prophet!
www.zionministry.com
Try going there if you want to get your facts right!
Ah yes, the white horse, with the rider armed with a bow. This is a
representation of the false religions, namely the Muslim religion,
which will be responsible for the third world war. The second
horseman represents war, which then brings famine, and results in
pestilence.
<- snip ->
Obviously you can attribute anything ot the images of those four
horsemen.
Back to my first post in this thread. Matthew 24 explains the seals.
Only if you make arbitrary connections between those two arbitrary
sections. You have to realize that the Bible has no logical order to
it. It is a collection of myths assembled for religious and - even
more often - political relevance for the assemblers.

RS
Abrams1117
2007-07-18 02:35:20 UTC
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Post by r***@gmail.com
Post by Abrams1117
Post by Richard Smol
Post by v***@aol.com
<snip>
REVELATION Chapter 6
"And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a
BOW; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering,
and
to conquer."
The white horse represents the horse upon which God's Witness (Rev.
19
v 11 & 1 v 5) (Isaiah 43 v 12) rides, as in Revelation 19 v 11.
^^^^^^^^^^
nwd
You are so wrong, it's not funny. NOT in the Bible is God's word been
represented by a ~bow~. God's word is represented by the word ~SWORD~!
Rev 2:16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will
fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
Look up the word ~sword~ in the Bible.
The white horse you speak about, without knowing what you are saying,
I might add, is the 1st horse of the Apocalypse. That seal has already
been! The 2nd horse or seal is on the horizon!
You are NOTHING more than a WANNA-BE prophet!
www.zionministry.com
Try going there if you want to get your facts right!
Ah yes, the white horse, with the rider armed with a bow. This is a
representation of the false religions, namely the Muslim religion,
which will be responsible for the third world war. The second
horseman represents war, which then brings famine, and results in
pestilence.
<- snip ->
Obviously you can attribute anything ot the images of those four
horsemen.
Back to my first post in this thread. Matthew 24 explains the seals.
Only if you make arbitrary connections between those two arbitrary
sections. You have to realize that the Bible has no logical order to
it. It is a collection of myths assembled for religious and - even
more often - political relevance for the assemblers.
RS- Hide quoted text -
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There is no doubt that Matthew 24 is explaining the same events
covered in the seals.

What is fascinating is that ppl are so blinded that they cannot see
this.
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