How the fake idol can destroy the fake idols.

[Jos Boersema]

title: Who Will Crown King Messiah? The King of Edom
source: Rav Avraham Shira
link:

Someone wrote a reply under this, along the lines of "if you
'moshiach' are reading this, then I support you and you will succeed".
Exact text below in quotes.

Reply ...

Ah ok, well don't worry too much, anymore at least. The suffering
is mostly over it seems. I understand you think I'm not "that", but
whatever. This is the point I wanted to make ...

I'm just thinking about all this idolatry, which you guys call _religion_
and which you believe in so much, wondering if the whole thing is
basically a set up to destroy it, because of the damage it has been doing
and is continuing to do. The theory goes like this: the whole world is
sick to the core with this idolatry, which I hypothesize is a lef over
from monkey behavior & the violence inherent in animal life. Theory of
evolution ? Yes, thanks. Anyway, so the whole world is sick with this
idolatry, back thousands of years ago. Then you see all the suffering
and the abuse, and some people (or whatever just asked around and said:
why don't you stop with your sick behavior, and deal fairly with others,
so that you will all be happy ? After trying for the Nth time and noticing
these people are non-stop focussed on their idols their fake gods their
fairy tales, they came up with a strategy ...

Note that this is pure fantasy and speculation, it may be completely
wrong, it's merely a thought at this point. What if we could trick all
this idolators into believing in an idol, and we will set up this idol for
them, but then in the end unlike all their own fake idols and stupidity,
our idol will actually happen. None of their idols will happen, because
these don't even exist. We will set up our own idol against them, and
trick them into believing in our idol. They will still be idolators,
mindless and abusive, ignorant, but they will believe in our idol now,
which is a story we completely have set up ourselves for this purpose.

When we trigger our idol to come, it is like the game of go (baduk),
where you fill in the enemy territory and take them out. The idol
comes, and ... it turns out, it's nothing. It's just another guy. What a
disappointment. It turns out, he isn't even that smart either. Certainly
_not_ a super human go (baduk) player. Perhaps average. Not completely
without abilities in some aspects of life though, you wouldn't want to
overdo it either. The guy still needs to be a little bit ok, certainly
not a bad guy. The guy is of course also not supposed to be an idolator
himself. No prayering nonsense, please. No idolatry garbage, please. No
religious nonsense, please. This is the whole idea. To make the humans
stop with their insanity, and just be as wise as they should already be,
and solve a few obvious problems on Earth, to live happy ever after.
Now that I type out this theory, it makes me feel good. Do you catch
where i am going ?

The clue is then going to be, that once the idolators snap out of
their foolishness, snap out of their "religious" stupor, their magical
beliefs, they might finally connect with their own functioning minds
again. Perhaps it will take them a few years, I don't know, but they
return to being more fully human, and get over their idolatry, their
magical rituals, their rituals, and so on. Focus back on reality, and
so much brain time is available for real problems. Once they get there,
they start realizing even better: this 'moshiach' dude of ours, really
it's just another dude. We are like that now, we are no different and
some of us are probably smarter too, perhaps more moral even as well,
more caring. It's just another dude Oh My .... _goodness_ (hehehe),
it's just another dude like anyone else. What have we done ?! What have
we wasted our time on ?! We are such fools.

We have waited on thing, we _waited on nobody else but ourselves_ (as
some wise Native Indians of Turtle Island already have put it). You are
waiting on yourselves. All the religious garbage is then going to fall
... or is it ?

Well, truth is truth, there is no way around that. The Torah of Moshe
Rabbeinu is good, the only problem with it is that Israel is not so
good, not even back then, and this likely limited the "revelation" of
the Torah, to what they could or wanted to deal with (handle). Anyway,
the Torah is still true and good. Secondly, even though all the idolatry
and ignorant "religion" might die out hopefully soon, that doesn't mean
that the entire Universe now suddenly isn't a huge and incomprehensible
miracle anymore. That problem still exists, and for this we still have
this solution called "The Creator" - even if we know nothing about it. We
can see that reality exists, and we know we didn't do it, and we can also
see that it is exceedingly amazing, very well made, unbelievably (heh)
impressive. We didn't do it, so we just out of respect I suppose, assign
the highest possible honor to that which we do not know: the Creator.

We could then connect the two: why is the Torah true (not to be confused
with the lying Rabbis by the way, they are liars and have messed up
the Torah and are causing the exile every day), in such a world of
foolishness, why does it point to this very God concept, and so what
does all this mean. Does it really mean that this Creator principle put
the Torah in the hands of Moshe Rabbeinu ? I think it is possible, but
knowing it like you _know_ things, no. I think it is possible, because
humanity is a big mess, and if there was one small move which could make
the whole difference in the end, for this entire species, then perhaps
God the Creator really just made that one small move, and let it play
out. The other theory would be, that they just did it "in the name off",
and so on and so forth, but this is just something I don't know. It isn't
important, but because you all are idolators and obsessively religious
while ignoring reality, I guess it will matter to _you._

You all are busy with whatever non-Earth issues of your own fantasy,
and here this world, it is going to hell. That is what your religions
are worth. You think this is about Kingship and (disgusting word)
"worship" (puke). lol. Check even the Torah: it is about money, land,
reality. Sure there is also the submission to this Creator, but you
could excuse that as an attempt to learn to be humble so that later this
humility and open ear could be turned to each other, and we could all
solve our problems reasonably and rationally. That would then be the
world, and the essential problem would be solved.

What problem ? People suffering. They often suffer from things like
poverty, war, violence, ignorance and greed. These are real world issues,
with real world answers: laws, methods, actions. The religious people
especially usually seem to be the most ignorant of them all. Immediately
they will probably think about magical abundance and a big power boss
who distributes choco bars. That is how their minds work, because they
lost their minds due to their idolatry.

Land, sand, rivers, sea, sunlight, the weather, nature, the squirrels, the
deer, the birds and so and and so on. There is your abundance, and how to
deal with it all, is really not so difficult. Greedy Rabbis and dishonest
people pretend it is difficult, even though the Torah already has a good
number of solutions completely written out, such as the Jubilee on land
(certainly not the only way to handle land, but at least you get your
right to land honored in principle). Markets in land are wrong.

Once people understand all these things themselves, they will realize
what I talked about before: they where in an idolatrous stupor, their
own minds where blocked from seeing the obvious because behaved like
idolators like beta monkeys in the pile. Once they would understand it,
it is as like an insanity drops off of them, and they will know how
the Rabbis are liars (Rambam Shemita 10:8 is a lie, prozbul, heter
iska are lies & faking an end to Shabbos during the day is also a lie),
who have caused the exile. Once they understand it, not only can they
get their own Nation out of exile, they could get other Nations out of
their stupor of insanity as well. It's kindof like, the quarter dropped,
and it was all so (relatively) simple in the end. Once it's done and it
becomes routine, it will really become obvious, and simple.

It will be amazing if we could finally overthrow the caste system in
India for good, and help those farmers and abused people, and the people
of many other lands as well - basically the whole world. Of course,
reality will not make it easy, even if it should be. It will probably
be a long process.

You see now the point: the whole Torah of Moshe Rabbeinu and the prophets,
it is one long war against idolatry and the insanity thereof, and this
'moshiach' thing is like almost a double agent within the pantheon
of insanity which humanity beliefs in. A spy, an infiltator, who when
demasked turns out to be: the only one who exists of all this absolutely
sordid stupidity humanity has been into, the only one who is real,
and the only one who is not worthy to be worshiped ! Just another dude,
just another dude hahaha. Truly we are on the planet of the imbeciles,
aren't we.

What do you think of this theory ? It's just an hypotheses. You are of
course one of these lost idolators, so I don't know if you even want
to know the truth right now. Typically they do not want to. Oh well,
there is always the _next round of punishment_ in the Torah ... To
really drive it home about how wrong all this ignorant "religion" is,
and how corrupt and fraudulent it all has become.

The essential problem you idolators and religious people have, is that
you think this is about "who", a person. You worship persons. That is
disgusting. You want Kings and magical creatures to worship. You don't
want to grow up and be a real human being, who listens to others and lives
together with them in a balanced way. You are the ultimate in _personality
politics._ The most lost, the most ignorant. This is what I was thinking
is the second half of this whole strategy: while the idolators are lost
one way or the other, any real people will at least have a levarage
over the idolators, whose own idolatry now points to what _they_ are
saying. The idolators will then be disempowered and can hopefully be
overturned, and the people who want a real life won't be damaged as much
anymore by the idolatrous hordes, who have some serious problems to deal
with within their system of idolatry. Perhaps by the time they resolved
their madness, they too could get out of it. We can always hope ...

Point by point ...

I had a thought recently, but it just popped into my mind again while
listening Forewarning, I have not taken my own medicine on this, yet.

Sure.

Why don't we talk to him, Moshiach, instead of about him?

Okay, but of course then, technically, you first need to identify this
individual, right ? How do you do that.

I'm a firm believe that he is among us. I trust HaShem.

Do you ? He said there should be no _selling of land in purpetuity_
so that means you have campaigned for the right to free land for all,
and land markets to be closed ? You obviously at least oppose western
idolatry ?

Moshiach, if you are a viewer of this channel, and you happen to be
reading this comment, I want you to know that I believe in you

Well, please do not. This is wrong and idolatry. You should _not_
believe in me. You should care for & believe in the truth. Facts on the
one hand, and _what is good_ on the other. What is good is about what to
do, what you should do. If you believe in me personally, then I order
you now to stop doing it, thanks. You should not do what I say because
it is me or whatever titles have been ascribed to me, including the
good and the bad. You should understand and then do what you like. I do
suggest however, to check out my program and arguments. I worked on it
a lot, I think it is worth a look. If it works, the conseqences could
be ... great. If it is bad, then waste no time and argue against it,
save people some trouble.

I am not a viewer of these channels. The Rabbis need to stop lying about
the Torah. I merely try to get trhough them often, either because they
pop up in the youtube feed or I search for 'moshiach' ;-). I do that,
because there is always a chance that this method will work, because the
situation is quite critical. I hurried a lot, but now the Jews are pissing
the time away for nothing. This is very ... sad and disappointing. The
next round of punishment will be 7 times worse than the Nazis, and
it is created right now by the Rabbis, and people like this in the
above channel, who follow the traitors Hillel the Elder and Rambam /
Maimonides. They are creating the exile, and destroying Israel with
that. I don't know how they can be so clueless, but it looks like they
will have to be overthrown in the end. Lies are lies, I'm not playing
games with it. They are hardened in their lies, so they will go down with
their lies. They made that choice over the last years since about 2008.

I don't know what your going thru, or maybe I do, and don't realize it,
but you got this.

At the moment it is ok, but i don't think a lot of people know the
level of suffering, since I don't think there is a word for it. Don't
dwell on it, it is already over and nobody helped me almost when they
could have and now it is too late. Nothing can be done about it anymore,
it is too late. It was already suffered.

I'm sure that whatever trials and challenges that HaShem is testing
you with would seem impossible to most, if not all of us, but for those
times when you may feel the self doubt come on, trust that if it wasn't
supposed to be you doing what your doing then He wouldn't have chosen
you to the one.

I guess so. The whole thing has already been done, the whole thing is
done and over from this side basically. I can die right now and it should
not make any difference anymore.

Much love.
Shalom Shalom

Have a great day, Jos. (lol)

By the way, I don't expect anything from this messed up humanity. They
don't want peace, also not the Jewish people. It's all just make
believe. However, after World War 3 which will be so bad, there is a small
chance which I do not want to let go to waste. That is all. I expect this
message will be ignored as usual, that is as expected, but later it may
be realized, and then all these things are already written out in so much
detail, and the whole thing is going to function like a well oiled clock
(I hope). You see what I'm doing ? Prepare your house for hard times.


[Continuing on Usenet.]

I thought about detailing that this is not about Kingship, because I am
not doing that (see title in video). Don't need it, and I am an
anti-Monarchist, of course. One of the things I am against the most, is
Monarchy. I think it is a degrading practice, which can only be a like
what we would call in the Netherlands a "horse cure" (paarden middel).
It means something very strong & rough against a difficult problem,
almost like in a last resort when all else has already failed. The
disease in this question would be: people not listening to or caring for
each other, making a completely mess about what should be common
decisions. A King can then be a "horse cure", a last resort against
total chaos & never ending violence and civil wars. (But I already
crazily replied 3 times with big texts, and I didn't want to push my
luck with that system any further.)

[Jos Boersema]

title: Who Will Crown King Messiah? The King of Edom
source: Rav Avraham Shira
link: http://youtu.be/9S-elju9ar8

Someone wrote a reply under this, along the lines of "if you
'moshiach' are reading this, then I support you and you will succeed".
Exact text below in quotes.

Reply ...

Look dudes, you are talking about your private psychology & life. You
are talking about idols and fantasy. What is the root of the Torah
? It was given through none other than Moshe Rabbeinu, and there was
nobody else to do that job. What was so special about him ? Blah blah
Rabbinical gobblygook ? Cabballistic stories about sparks and "klippah"
and Sefiroth ? Look at the story, and then my point is: look at yourselves
/ ourselves, okay ? What _actually happened._ The Torah is about what
really happens. Not about fantasy like the idolatry craziness. It's not
about "wars of the gods". Physical and real.

Moshe Rabbeinu grows up at the court. Is that special ? Yes, but many
people grew up at the court, did the Torah come from them ? No. Moshe
Rabbeinu probably had a comfortable life at the court, I imagine. Then
he saw two 'Israelites' being abused by guards and ... *he kills those
guards.* How many people do that. Very few do that. He had to run to
the desert, and I imagine he would be killed if found. It gets even more
heroic, however.

He returns to his people. I doubt the Egyptian ruling class is eager
to see someone who murdered some of their guards, while they took care
of this person at their court, and now even wants to organize a slave
rebellion ? How many slave rebellions where there, anyway, in Earth
history. Where the Israelites slaves ? Apparently so, they where at
least gravely oppressed, as far as I understood the story. He returns
! Is this guy suicidal, is this guy nuts ?

This guy is literally the greatest hero who ever lived on Earth, okay
? Let's get that acknowledged right here. From what this guy did, with
the help of heaven I guess, we get this Torah, the prophets, and then
there is a thing in there about this 'moshiach'. This 'moshiach' would
do something kind of similar as to Moshe Rabbeinu.

What did Moshe Rabbeinu do ? Through him came a lot of laws, and that is
the main thing, and he led a people out of slavery - an entire people,
through again great dangers. Dudes, when are you going to get to it,
ok ? When are you going to act like Moshe Rabbeinu ? Laws for entire
Nations ? Did you write down _anything,_ and when I try to debate the
Torah with you, nothing ! Not only is there no laws for Nations, not
only is there no saving of slaves personally at what is pretty much a
suicide mission, even when the topic goes to the already existing Torah
and mistakes by the Rabbis are pointed out, you don't even care !

Did you kill some criminals who where abusing someone, or at least saved
the day for the victims ? in which case, wow! and can you please tell the
story right now ? I'll be the first to admit that I also never murdered
any criminals with my own hands.

See, you are focussed on your own inner world, your own fantasy and
psychology, and _perhaps_ you think you could be a decent Minister in
a Parliament because you care ? A prime-minister, a King ? Why you, and
who cares ? There have been many Kings, there have been many ministers,
some corrupt, some not too bad, some did their best, others filled
their own pockets, but this level of activity has yet to establish a
real peace. You guys don't know even the topic at hand: 1. reality,
2. freedom and a life for slaves who otherwise could be good people,
which means: 3. laws for an entire Nation, 4. actually doing it.

These days it seems people think this matters: Kabalahblabla "the klippah
the klippah!", Sefiroth and the sparks. Uhhh ???? What ?! Then it is
about _hell_ or it is about giving charity (at least that is good). Oh
goodness, their Temple, non stop their Temple. Didn't Egypt have temples
? At least there is some morality sprinkled in, but what do we read in
the Torah and what is it all about ? First thing is that the land gets
distributed to all as a right _forever._ First thing they do ! Massively
important. Do you hear anyone about it these days ? Nope, nothing. You
talk about it, they ignore it. The Torah is about how can these people
live, without making each other into slaves. It is literally about
freeing slaves, it is about being honest in businest, not to murder,
it is about safety in the home and a safe home for children with their
own mother and their own father, all of them. It is about being good
to each other by providing financial help, easy loans, it is about not
working ourselves into slavery by having a rest day every 7 days; and
many more rest days over that. It is about not gossiping. It is about
a true and honest, fair and balanced civilization, and how to do that.

It's not about your personal depression as such, sorry. It is about
serious topics, which should be solved on a National level. Such as the
right to land, which has been ruined by the Rabbis, and that's potentially
part of why we see this disaster now in the Zionist State. No right to
land. They messed up other important aspects as well.

Anyway; I was reading these books of the Jesus system and Islam, and I
didn't like them much (although Islam has some good in it, and may be fit
for Arabs), and then I bought a Tanach, and I read these books from an
enemy perspective. I study the enemy, because they are going to want to
kill us all when we get anywhere near a peace, and they pull out their
'messiah' mania, so we need to be prepared against these people. I read
this Tanach and I discover how great it is, and I literally am reading
about my own life all of a sudden, because it matches. While it may be
true that all lives match to some extend, there is a lot that matches
here, and not much that doesn't. I won't go into the details, but there
is enough matching to say: _it could be._

This is the difference perhaps between you and me: I don't like it,
and I am here to _destroy_ this throne that you seem to want. There can
be no _throne_ over humanity. It is too big, and it is also a disgrace
of dictatorship - it is wrong. Anyway, suddenly I discover, the Tanach
is on my side, because if my program is going to succeed, they will
likely make statues of me like they did of Marx and Stalin, and that
is wrong. Marx thought he could end the idolatry by just outlawing,
but it didn't work. He himself became the god.

My goal it pretty simple: to spread power to all people in an effective
and functioning way, basically based on whatever works already, and
then tweaked kind of to optimize it a bit, and that's it. A King is
the opposite of that. However the enemy is the opposite, they want to
centralize all control, and they finally did it. The position 'secratary
general' at the UN is a prototype for what will likely become the World
Dictator, the King over the entire world. You think that is fantasy
? If you do, it is because you don't think about these topics. The
U.N. is the American global Empire, and it is already a Government and
a State. This kind of thing tends to end with one head at the top, one
way or the other even. Anyway, I could go on like this for another page
or 10, and maybe that is also the point. That is the topic: Government,
people, laws, principles and methods of economics, life in general.

But see, I though okay this guy want to talk to me, so let's have a
little fun here and reply. Nothing comes out of that, see ? I point out
the problems in the Torah ? Nobody even cares ! Humanity is incredibly
stupid, I'm sorry to say, and of course I'm part of that. I unfortunately
cannot just download what I think into your brains directly, you must
want to learn about some of these important topics on your own, such as
the right to land. People talk about this "hiding" of 'moshiach'. This is
nonsense, because the Torah is there, in your hand ! You don't need any
'moshiach' you just need to stop lying about it !

Then when once in a while you drop a clue, nobody also investigates
anything. They merely shoot from random and their emotions, typically
rejection of course - to which I totally agree ! I hate this idolatry,
so I hate this too, this 'moshiach' garbage, and then these lying Rabbis
everywhere, unbelievable. Why not then argue the case secularly, isn't
that superior ? Of course it is, what do you think I have been doing and
continue to do ? It is not about this one person, goodness sakes. It is
about Tyranny, war, stupidity, injustice in all the streets, stupidity
ruling the Nation(s).

Anyway, my goal is to end all this madness once and for all, break the
throne you all want to put this 'moshiach' on, and then relax and play a
game of Go or two (Baduk). I am getting a bit better at it, it's fun. Have
a great day ;-).

P.S. Prepare your houses for hard times. They are going to have World
War 3, although by now probably most people realize it

*

End reply. Continuing on Usenet.

So you see that this is the program, at least the one I am proposing:
basically the destruction of all craziness, the end of the idolatry I
guess. No throne over the world. Not your 'moshiach' sitting on a throne
over the whole world.

This throne that you want: shattered on the ground, ripped to shreds,
burned and already forgotten (so to say). No throne over the world.

Ha ha ha - Gotcha ;-).

It's too big, is that really the essential answer. That is a big part of
it, but the other is that a throne is a dictatorship, and that is a
disgrace. It's monkey behavior. We are humans, we should be able to talk
and find a solution together, and then do it because we care. That is
'the ultimate', meaning that it may not yet be possible to reach that at
some point (like perhaps, today), but it is the goal.

So many idolators want a throne over the whole world, and their idol on
it, forever. You have that now already, and you have that on a smaller
scale in all kinds of dictatorial Nations. To a degree it doesn't matter
if the Tyrannical Empire is 10 million persons big, or 10 Billion. You
already have lived that dictatorship, even if it usually wasn't global.
It becoming global, is only a lot worse, because of the absolutism
inherent in it. There are no other cultures anymore, and beyond the
Earth there is not a lot of human culture going on, or nothing at all.

We are right now in this One Throne over the world condition, and the
person sitting on it is essentially the Secretary General of the UN.
Happy now ? Is it working out for you ? No, it is not working out at
all.

You could hence say, that my goal is to destroy that throne, the chair
this UN 'secretary general' is sitting on. It is more or less, a sort of
final throne where all the wars and evil on the Earth have led to (at
this point), and in some way it could be argued that it is an end point,
because when before was there ever a State, a Government, on this level
on the Earth ? The entire world is more or less encompassed by it, even
though it hasn't reached true dictatorial or tyrannical powers (yet).
It exists as an entity, and it is intrenched. It's power can now grow in
depth, and become worse and worse.

I already see signs of this United Nations power in the country where
I ride my bicycle. It already reached that level. They claim power over
this or that part of our natural lands (typically). Then there is the
European Union flag all over as well, which is another impossible
Empire, a level of control just one step below the United Nations. So
you see that not only do they have the United Nations which is already
huge, they also have the middle level management systems in place, such
as the USA, the E.U., China, India, other huge and crazy large places.
It's all one system already.

A big war, another roll over of the generations and the necessary
propaganda, and they could have so much more control than they have now
that it really starts to feel that these global criminal groups are the
Government you are ultimately dealing with.

See, it's not like merely a concept that needs to be overturned. It is a
reality already. It's not merely and only a fantastical thing in the
minds of idolators, this 'throne of the world'. In the olden days of
some centuries past, this throne was for example Vatican city and the
pope, the Chinese Emperor in China, and so on. It was smaller, but the
same: too big, and dictatorial if not Tyrannical.

This is what needs to be overturned, and the way to do it is: to listen
to each other, be capable and willing to have decent conversations with
each other, solve problems reasonable, get to it.

The whole thing is basically just totally reasonable, and if you think
'where is the catch' well, there kind of isn't a catch. That is just
what it is essentially: an attempt to be reasonable. That's all. It's
kind of simple in that way. In that void you feel left behind perhaps,
in that anti-climax, I hope you will find yourself.

[Jos Boersema]

title: Who Will Crown King Messiah? The King of Edom
source: Rav Avraham Shira
link: http://youtu.be/9S-elju9ar8

Someone wrote a reply under this, along the lines of "if you
'moshiach' are reading this, then I support you and you will succeed".
Exact text below in quotes.

Someone suggested they are 'moshiach' and they are in contact with
Hashem or something like that.

Reply ...

@mashiachEvanbenDavid Ah ok. This is not a program, but your personal
feelings about what you think is 'god' or something. You want the ... you
wrote: _"I hope to get the attitude of servitude from the ones that claim
to know God."_ Aha ok, so you want good people to serve you ? That will
fix things in the world you think ? You should be regarded a ... you
wrote: _"I am a big brother."_ which says the same.

I asked you about your program, you did not give a program, there is no
plan of action or anything. You wrote to someone that you want unity of
the family. Ok fine (who doesn't). How will you accomplish this lofty
goal ? You think that giving the order will make it happen, with you as
the "big brother" (your words) ?

Just so you know, you do _not_ get my servitude, sorry. I'm against that
sort of thing, it's primitive in my opinion. I think people should talk
together and decide on common issues, or start learning how to do it. Away
with dictatorship, and more democracy please - the more the better. We see
also in real life, that the more there is democracy, the less the people
suffer. When autocracy, dictatorship, power centralization in general
increase, then the suffering increases. When Republics fall, the suffering
increases. When Dictators take over, suffering increases. Unfortunately,
things are not always as simple as they may seem. Nazi coups may be
rebranded "democracy" (USA is great with that, see Ukraine), and so on,
and so on.

We also see flavors of this in the Torah, although not that much I
shall admit. I think the problem with Israel is that they are an unruly
people, who are not well behaved enough to have a real democracy (I
mean a _serious_ democracy, more serious than the Roman Rebublic, who
incidentally had initially a friendship bond with the Maccabean Dynasty,
if I am not mistaken; something to think about I guess). Shamuel also
rejected the Kingship, and HKB'H said that by choosing a King they
rejected him as their King (which I think is correct, but hey it's
easy ... the Torah is so often correct I start to think it is *always*
correct). Notably, there are a lot of restraints on the Kings of
Israel. They are not as Sovereign as some dictators have been. So long
as there where real prophets, they could at least be overthrown by them,
but Israel just went down and down so much, it all became one big pile
of nonsense.

Power spreading to all is part of the Torah though, in my opinion at
least. Right to land (a big one). Freeing of the slaves. A Government
which has restrictions on its power, due to the Torah being an
unchangeable law. Forced loan making by the rich. Forced rest days for
everyone. The Rabbis have ruined a lot of this already, and hence the
exile started ...

Dude you know, in the end, all this is extremely serious. It's not about
someone their personal house gods and their private emotions (as I already
claimed before). It is about laws for Nations, how messed up they have
become, and so ond and so on. What is the law, is the question. The Torah
is law ? Fine, but it isn't, because it was overthrown partially by the
corrupt Rabbis, who are criminals under the Torah now. This is how bad
it is already. When the next round of punishment happens, that will be
7 times worse than the Nazis.

DO YOU READ ME ? 10+ Million Jews are about to die. UNtold numbers of
gentiles will die. Can someone please start to take things seriously
before these fools these Rabbinical fools destroy all of Israel and
themselves with it. oy oy oy Israel ... where is your brain. If all
you did was stop your lies about the Torah and absolutely nothing else,
perhaps that will be enough to save yourselves and get out of exile. Throw
this whole 'moshiach' garbage on the trash heap, but stop lying about the
Torah from now on. Yes, you are lying, and you know you are lying. You
don't ? You should have known by now. Your lies are set to destroy you,
95% or more may be dead within 10-20 years, literally dead, massacred
in various ways by the crazy gentiles.

You heard about a bank failure yet ? It's coming. Remember the Weimar
Republic ? Find your brain and use it. Harden your position, it's
coming. USA, Zionist State, anywhere, nowhere is safe. Stop lying about
the Torah, harden your position, help your brother Jew any way you
possibly can, keep the whole Shabbos to the night until you sleep as
well as you can, be of a nice voice to your people, be nice and humble
and helpful and also of course ... what's the word ... loyal to your
marriage to the maximum you can. Modesty is the word. Listen to your
brother and sister Jew carefully so you understand them and can help
them. I think if you did all this, even if you die, hopefully you will be
found to be a good person worthy of life. I get it that you are scared
of a full scale Revolution or to overthrow your lying Rabbis (which you
pretend are not lying because your brain is lost apparently), but there
are lesser things you could be doing anyway, one way or the other.

If you are in USA though ... the autists said: RUN, run for your lives
! It's very similar to Germany, the assimilation. IT seems, heaven
will not have it. It will be entirely wiped out, it seems (what I can
peace together, and the logic of it). You are Jews you must be Jews,
not gentiles, you must give the example. That is apparently your job,
then do it, and live. Please it's coming. It already started now.

End reply.

Youtube / Google deleted this it seems, so I post it here. I know this
topic is kind of crazy. I apologize for that. Can I help it that this
thing exists in the world, and is at the forefront of the minds of
perhaps 2 Billion people, and the people where we live (3 complete
religions with hundreds of millions of followers) ?

I wish we could just have a reasoned debate about how to organize
elections, and how to deal with land ownership correctly, and then get
to it and do it. But no ... even the labor union is investing their time
in the mad idea of Basic Income. It's the population their own fault
though. They don't even want it. They don't even want to be free.
Unfortunately for them, the consequence is going to be a level of
slavery they are not going to be happy about, eventually at least.
Then you have more rebellions and civil wars and Revolutions ...

Unless the ruling class can explode your brain with one push of a
button, or set the robots on you. You think that's a crazy idea ? The
people with all the money *are* crazy. They are crazy, criminal, and
have all the money in the world to finance their hobby. Which is;
enslaving you, enslaving the world, and then the Cosmos (lol)

Anyway (what a great day of ranting this is, eh ?), just wanted to add
this personal remark ...

Continuing above mentioned comment debate ... (first referring to
this above quoted reply which youtube has deleted - I keep a copy of
everything here).

My reply here seems to have been deleted, or at least I don't see it. I
often re-post on Usenet on soc.culture.jewish to get around the evil
of the USA. Since I went full nutcase here already (but I have to if it
is true, I'm forced into it because of what will likely later happen),
I might as well continue with what I was thinking about. The question
is non-stop asked "when will 'moshiach' come", and this can be taken
literally: when will 'that person' go up to Yerushalayim, the city itself,
physically. Although I already said I'm not your King and I'm against
monarchy even, and you would bring out someone else to do that for you
under my program, if it concerns my person I have already decided to not
convert to be a Jewish person, because 1. liars cannot convert anyone
to the Torah (and the Rabbis are liars), which was always my original
reason, but now I have decided that I will never convert to being Jewish
or part of the Nation of Israel, because I do not want to be part of a
people who have shown such a hard neck to the obvious truth.

I know, it is nutcasery, who the flip cares, right ? Spot on. Even so,
if it ends up being all correct what I write, then it may matter more to
you in the end, than to me. So this you already achieved Israel, and now
I am also concidering never to visit your country. That would be the next
step, but I am not 100% sure yet, but I'm going to that direction slowly
but surely. This is because your continual lying about the Torah. This
does not mean I'm against Israel or will ever be. Israel is still the
best Nation in the world, with the most caring and smart people, and
pretty much the only hope for mankind. If you don't give the example,
probably nobody will. So there is your answer then: if it concerns this
particular nutcase, the answer to 'when will moshiach come' would be:
probably never, thanks to your lying about the Torah and your rebellion
against the truth. Never is the answer. Also if it concerns the King you
may want to put in under proposed program, that person may already be
there and even born there. He is already there, is the other answer. Have
a good day, nutcase here out ;-).

End reply.

Cya, until never I guess. You are waiting on nothing, you are waiting on
yourself and your will to be good. Literally, you are waiting on
yourself to do something serious for the Torah, the truth, the peace,
Justice. I have no intention whatsoever to talk or visit a people who
have lied about the Torah for so long, and who kept going with it point
blank against all the arguments, and usually just ignoring them of
course (a potent weapon in the eyes of the mindless).

P.S. (Previous I said the Jewish people don't have a plan, but they sort
of do have a plan: 1. waiting for 'moshiach' whom they think will be a
liar about the Torah (Hillel, Rambam) like them and lead them with the
IDF, or a new rebellion against the Zionist State (depending on what side
you are on), to some sort of military victory against some sort of
attacks, and then they will just build a building on the mount in
Yerushalayim, and whatever society they can cobble together at that
point will be it and they will call it 'the Redemption' no matter how
wretched it might be, or how much fraud and bad behavior it might still
contain. Their 'moshiach' will be a liar like Hillel and Rambam (Rambam
Shemita 10:8, prozbul, heter iska, Shabbos breaking with candle lighting
fakery, Lamp of Helena Sun idolatry, tying boxes to your head), because
they clearly reject the 'rebuking' of these lies, and so they must be
united with them. If they 'want moshiach' and reject the rebuke of their
lies, still continue to 'want moshiach' (so they claim), then that means
they think this 'moshiach' is united with the lies of Hillel and Rambam.

This is basically their plan: military victory through the IDF, or
miraculously being saved somehow. Magically they will also do Teshuvah
at some point, some day, but it is just never this day, never *today*.
It's always the next day. In reality, the Zionist State is small, its
neighboring enemy Empires have an enormous amount of people (Egypt,
Turkey, Iran, each about 80 Million if I recall ?), the Zionist State
has not even 10 Million Jewish people in total ? The practical life line
for the Zionist State is the Empire USA, who is now under the control of
a Revolutionary Fascist. Hence, they are hoping on a miracle.

Hoping on a miracle from the God who has a death penalty for breaking
the Shabbos, which they are breaking by fake law (a few still keep it
to the end though, so I was told; perhaps they will receive a miracle in
the end, I hope so for them), who ordered them to nullify the loans
in the 7th year which they broke by fake law, who told them to honor the
Jubilee and the right to land for all which they also broke by fake law
interpretation (Rambam Shemita 10:8) and which they clearly are not doing
in the Zionist State where they now have control over large amounts of land.
The Jubilee should already have happened in the Zionist State. Did they
do it yet ? I never heard a thing about it.

There are a lot more laws they break, but I'll focus on the economy.
From this God, who already has a death penalty over the Shabbos breaking
let alone making phony laws which breaks *all* Shabbos for everyone who
listens to that (which is pretty much all of them now ?), from this God
they expect a miracle to survive. They are under a death sentence from
this God and His laws, yet they expect a military miracle to survive as
a Nation and Sovereignty. That's the plan.

Their plan is a miracle.

Will it come ? Maybe, since they are still Israel, the love of heaven,
the hope for humanity. I hope they will all live, happy ever after, and
want to see the truth; speedily in our days ...


(P.P.S. I wonder if they will crash the banks before Trump takes over
officially, so that he gets shielded from the political consequences ?
I don't know, it seems possible. If they crash the banks later, they
will have to explain how it wasn't the Dictator's fault, right ? If they
can succeed with that, perhaps they will do it later, who knows.

Well told you so, Trump would win. You see how the Democrats don't even
fight it ? At least not to my knowlebge. They wanted Trump as well. It's
all one big criminal clique. Can you afford a watch like the one Harris
has, supposedly the voice of the common people, the "workers" ? It's all
a show. They gave it to Trump: Biden the fall guy the zombie, and then a
woman who was probably also never going to be elected because that just
never happened before. They all want Trump, because he is fit to be the
madman who bloodies his hands when the economy goes wrong thanks to the
looting of the criminal ruling class; bloody domestically and bloody
internationally ... That is at least how it looks. Harden your position.)


P.P.P.S. (What a great day of ranting indeed ! ;-) lol

This MBD reminds me, that in a Jewish traditional naming convention my
personal name would be: Jos ben Douwe, with Douwe ben Jo being the
father. Funny. Birthday: Nissan 22. Sorry if you don't like the truth
and can't cope with it. That's your problem, or your prophets problem,
not my problem. 14 April 1974 = 22 Nissan 5734, or 5954 in 'Egypt 430
years' year count, which is also Easter in both western & eastern
Yoshke the Bastard idolatry churches (those dates jump around). This is
at least what I could piece together.

Don't like it ? Excellent, maybe you are not an idolator then ! You
don't care about this silly stuff. Awesome. Let's talk about the economy ?
Finally a real person. Let's do something serious, about this mess on
Earth. The idolators, maybe we can influence them later using all this
crazy stuff, and at least get them out of the way to a degree.

Aww you don't like it that I don't talk in mystical voice, wear weird
clothes and get the support from your power structure, so that you can
safely worship me as your King ? You wanted so badly to worship someone,
your super hero. Awww well, I have an idea for you. You go look up a toy
store nearby, and buy a spider man suit. Wear it and play spiderman and
super man with your friends ! It's so much fun !!! You can also buy
little bat man and super man statues for in the house, and then when you
have problems you just hope super man will come help you. It happens in
the movies ! Why not in real life, right ? Pray hard and keep the hope
alive.

(That's it for today I think ... sorry about this.)

[Jos Boersema]

title: Who Will Crown King Messiah? The King of Edom
source: Rav Avraham Shira
link: http://youtu.be/9S-elju9ar8

Someone wrote a reply under this, along the lines of "if you
'moshiach' are reading this, then I support you and you will succeed".
Exact text below in quotes.

Reply ...

The masses are idolatrous, including Israel and their Rabbis, and I
think this causes some people to then take these idolatrous ideas and
feelings - which are usually quite childish - and apply those feelings
to themselves. Like so: _the masses just want "someone who is fairly
nice & honest" to be their King and god, and since I know I care and
am fairly honest, then I guess that applies to me._ It is a similar
thing as "being possessed" only happens in Catholic areas, because
they believe in it. Then when people get under great stress, they start
living these superstitions and weirdness of their surrounding culture,
and interpret what is happening to them through that lense. Example:
if you hear voices in Catholic areas, you are possessed by the devil
(probably), while if you hear voices in Protestant areas or just less
religious or scientific oriented areas (secular), probably your brain
was malfunctioning somehow, and you do not think you are possessed. You
then get treated differently and treat yourself differently as well. The
surrounding culture is creating these events.

What you guys are probably doing, is taking these simplistic childish
feelings and ideas of the people, their need to have a big father
again and not take care of things themselves, and you apply that to
yourself. You think that is it, and then you follow that line of thought
of the people through, which is that this fairly nice and caring person
becomes the King and everyone will live happy ever after. If you go even
full out on it, you may believe you are talking to the Creator himself
(which notably is a death penalty in the Torah if you claim that, but
your predictions do not come true, something to remember I guess). A
lot of people get told as children that there is a god in their head
they can talk to, and so they believe that, true or false.

This then becomes the whole thing in their minds: they are fairly
honest and caring (not liars, just as you say, not liars at all),
they want the best thing for everyone, and then just run with this
idea that is in that culture and apply it to themselves - which may be
fairly reasonable. Reasonable, not according to the Torah really, but
according to these vague feelings of the people, who themselves rarely
if ever care about the Torah (the Rabbis stopped caring about the Torah
some 21+ centuries ago when they overthrew the Jubilee on land with the
lie recorded in Rambam Shemita 10:8, I guess that says enough). Nobody
really cares about the law and the Torah, and so all that remains of
all this is the vague emotions of idolatry of the people, including the
jewish people. Very much including them.

They - the Jewish people - are quite idolatrous and they worship their
Rabbis, their Rebbes, their Sages. Everything these people say they take
as absolute facts with or without proof, it doesn't matter to them. They
have the tendency to think that _their_ Rabbi will be 'moshiach'. It
is idolatry, they are a strongly idolatrous people. This is potentially
one of their biggest problems. They ignore the Torah, and worship some
idols who go against it, and that doesn't matter to them at all. What
is left is this vagueness, and then people apply it to themselves and
think like _well, if that's all you're looking for, then I can do that._
Then they believe that once they will be the King, they can just order
the 3rd Temple to be build, and even though they might not know almost
anything, they think it will all work out fine because after all, they
care about people, and not understanding things also means, not knowing
that you don't know. Just hang out and be the King, and that's it. If
you don't understand the complexities, you don't understand that this
is not going to work out. The religion makes this worse, because people
who think they are 'moshiach' will then just think that the Creator will
help them with everything.

All this is idolatry and a mistake, I am sorry to say.

It doesn't matter who or what 'moshiach' is, this is irrelevant except to
idolators and fools. It matters what is the truth, and how to live. Not
the truth about who is moshiach (sigh), but the truth about important
topics, things the Government(s) are and need to deal with. It ranges
from the quality of the drinking water, to what is the currency and -
of course - how to make common decisions and so much more. The whole
'moshiach' thing is nothing but a nuisance. Craziness in a crazy
world. Nevertheless, it looks like heaven may be willing to help the
jewish people despite their incredible ignorance, idolatry and disloyalty
to the Torah, and run the whole thing according to their culture. There
is nothing anyone is going to be able to do about that, if heaven made
this decision, or should even want to.

The Jewish people will be Redeeemed, however few it may be that wish to
return to the truth (probably not many, very possibly also almost no
Rabbis will return to the truth or even literally they may all end up
being traitors and end up thrown out forever). If heaven however decides
differently, then there will never be any 'moshiach' and this whole
culture and religion will also die and end up being disproven. Would
that ultimately be a problem ? I think not, but then again, this is a
world of fools, and so if the Jewish people are not seeing their thing
come true, then what Nation is going to be the example and allow itself
to be corrected, what Nation will stop their abuses against each other
and choose peace ?

So we go back again to the Tanach, where it says somewhere (if I recall):
_again_ Israel will be chosen. An amount them will return to the truth,
and live a life dedicated to Justice & Peace. This will then be the
'Lamp to the Nations'. Personally, I hope that they manage it without
any Kings, but unfortunately they may be too unruly and chaotic to make
that happen (yet), as the prophets already said apparently. So it is
all a big sadness and a disgrace, that Israel needs a King and all that,
and all this trouble regarding some otherwise not even too complicated
problems regarding Justice. Humanity however just refuses to come to
its senses and to live even half way correct, as we see now with World
War 3 being put together. This whole world is messed up.

It is shocking to see, how the Jewish people refuse to admit they have
been lying about the Torah for more than 2 thousand years already. If my
program would be of any interest (I worked very hard on it), you would see
that the 'moshiach proper' so to say, the actual King of Israel, would end
up being elected by them. I already suggested many times also, that they
should honor their own prophets and forefathers in this sense. They have
records of who descended from King David, literally the names. All they
have to do is elect 10 of those, and the oldest would be King. A King,
without any power. I realize that my proposal doesn't interest anyone,
but like I said, there are reasons for these proposals, logical reasons,
all written out of course. I also know people don't care about logic or
reason, and so they think if someone claims that, it usually is stupid,
and if it's not, people will end up _making_ it stupid. Such is the world,
but it cannot keep going like this. The bombs are too big.

People are mindless right now, including the Rabbis and the jewish
people, never mind the rest. However, then the nukes come down and the
dying starts for real, people will be forced to grow up fast. Perhaps
then, a few will care. If not, humanity is perhaps best almost entirely
destroyed and put back in the Stone Age - for its own good. Such will
be the cost of stupidity and evil.

Hence you see, none of you and including me, you have zero chance to
be this 'moshiach' in the system as I propose it - because you aren't
even Jewish, and if you are you aren't descending of King David or if
you are, you will unlikely be elected, and if you are elected you only
have a small chance to be top 10, and if you are top 10 you only have
a small chance to be the oldest of the 10. Then you think of course,
but this system is merely your private psychoses. Fine, think that,
it may end up that way of course. That is certainly possible. I however
will continue to push on it, hoping for the best ;-).

* End reply.