Jos Boersema
2024-09-07 14:35:49 UTC
There seemed to be a slight opening for Teshuvah with this Rabbi, perhaps
this motivated me to leave a reply on his youtube video. It is not him
(the Rabbi) who then replied to that. It isn't the fault of the Rabbis
that what are perhaps his followers, students or perhaps just random
folk who saw his video, misbehave in subsequent replies. On the contrary,
if he has to deal with this kind of people, I feel sorry for the Rabbi.
Rabbis always keep silent, though. Perhaps they know that they don't
have any arguments, and they rather not alert their people to that
fact by mounting an absurd argument which is clearly fake. Silence is
a potent weapon in such cases. It makes the followers believe that the
reply was wrong for some "obvious" reason, which they just don't know
about, because they are too humble to even think they know anything,
or they are too mindless to care to find out what is going on, or both.
This is of course merely a general complaint about most Rabbis that I
have encountered (or all even), not this particular one. Perhaps he is
studying in earnest, and will soon do Teshuvah, thus kicking off the
final Redemption ! We shall see ... Just like Israel is not "holding
their breath" or the Redemption, neither am I holding my breath on their
Teshuvah anymore. They chose lies, and this is a strong and fundamental
choice they made for themselves, a choice for death (in the parlance
of Judaism).
I post this here with the complete comments, because I want Israel to
know how they are misbehaving, and also treating me personally. How they
react to an obviously true rebuke on the Torah (Da'at Torah you call
this, argued from the Torah itself ?). How you have misbehaved to me
personally. You call me a "heretic", which I suspect is the death
penalty in the Torah.
To be honest on all the replies I have gotten, which seems to be well
under 20 in total for 10+ years of many articles written on the same
topic over and over again, always basically the same, they fall out into
two categories
Relatively friendly remark "this is interesting", and relatively rude
reply "how dare you ... you are wrong ...". These replies both share a
common characteristic: they are both useless. Nothing comes out of
either of them in the end, nothing practical gets done. Secondly, they
do never contain any meaningful argument. As far as I can recall, in all
this time, i have never received any meaningful argument from Israel.
I once heard something like, leave us alone with our books, we don't
want outsiders commenting on our books. i heard perhaps twice (both
woman) say it was interesting, but nothing further. I heard woman
complain that what I was writing was not what they wanted their children
to read (!). They literally condemned their children to a life against
the Torah, which easily means consigning them over to death(!). That's
what the Torah says, at least eventually. So deep is the indoctrination,
the hard neck, and their idolatry to their "sages", this is how deeply
they broke with their God. I heard (now) that what I wrote was
"heretical in Judaism" (which is true if you define 'Judaism' as that
ideology which is at odds with the Torah and itself heretical, but by
then it already lost its real meaning). I heard once a complaint, even
though I was only arguing the Torah on its economics, that I am not
'moshiach'. Apparently the inference was made, that because I try to
mend the "breaches in the Torah", that I therefore implied I was
'moshiach' ? Was it merely because I arroused irritation for writing a
long text ?
Whatever the case, I am always grateful when a Rabbi does not remove my
comment. If you leave it on, not sencor it out and hide it, destroy it,
I am grateful to you. You are not ultimately hiding the argument, even
if you do not reply and do not do Teshuvah. You give me a reason to see
you as a friend, you provided that platform which allowed the argument
to take place at all. Without your youtube, there would have been no
platform, no way to reach Israel. You created that window in what
perhaps would either be even the Redemption itself, or at least a return
to the Torah on the economics of it (not exactly a minor topic, at
all!).
title: What makes Moshiach, Moshiach
source: @RabbiIsserZWeisberg
link: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/guWUaQwdbS4
Reply:
@josboersema1352
Rambam describes the requirenments of 'moshiach', as if he is an
outsider. He is merely looking at it, and not participating. However it
is worse, he is actively trying to undermine the Torah and the Redemption
in I guess at least 3 ways.
1. He argues with Jewish people to not support this 'moshiach' or not
support in full, until the whole process is already done. This would
mean many Jewish people are going to read Radmab, and even though they
should have known better already, they will not support who does end up
being 'moshiach', until it is all over and they ended up doing nothing
for it. This could also mean, these Jews will end up outside of the
Redemption, and no longer being allowed to do Teshuvah, they will loose
their place in the Redemption, potentially forever. That's your Rambam
for you. The Redemption is also about 'Teshuvah'. If you postpone the
'Teshuvah' until everything has already been done, you could be accused
of doing Teshuvah because you want to join the winning team, and not
because you care about the truth (when it is hard).
2. The second way Rambam destroys the Jewish people on the issue of
Redemption, is because he accuses this 'moshiach' of tarrying. Moshiach
is not tarrying, but rather the exact opposite (this is in the Torah:
in its time, I will hurry him) Rambam however says '... I believe
... even though he might tarry ...' This is a lie. It looks like he
made up this lie all by himself ? Who told him this lie, if he didn't
make it up himself ? Because Rambam tells Jewish people that it in not
their fault in tarrying with the Torah that the Redemption is every
day delayed by another day, but rather it is the 'moshiach's fault,
therefore Jewish people are coaxed into blaming the fact that there
is no Redemption on 'moshiach'. Moshiach is just hanging out on the
beach doing some 'tarrying' for unknown reasons, while Jewish people
are suffering another massive attack. I already saw Jews joking about
this. It is also Loshon Hara, it is hate talk behind someone their back.
3. This is the worst of how Rambam destroys the Redemption, because he
codified the lies of the Rabbis about various topics of law, by which
they have overthrown the Torah and are causing the exile: prozbul, not
doing the Jubilee (absurd reading of the Torah), breaking the Shabbos
with absurd day change moment, and he added the 'heter iska, to these
fraudulest economic laws (its all about serving the rich, rather than
Justice, if you notice).
Rambam also went back to Egypt, and was part of an expulsion from Spain,
both of which indicate that he was rejected. He was also rejected in this
time, but the Rabbis caved in and became even more corrupt because of
him. There will not likely be a Redemption ever, unless you do Teshuvah
for following the so-called 'Sages', such as Hillel the Elder and Rambam /
Maimonides. You have made up your own phony Torah, to serve the rich and
get money out of them. The rich and criminal are probably funding all
this, because they like it when they can keep their money. It doesn't
matter to them if you spend your money on Charity, but it matters to
them if you force them to pay for easy loans, nullify them, and not be
allowed to play debt games for profit with others, or if they have to
return the land which they are buying in perpetuity or outright stealing
it, or if they cannot work their slaves and animals one day in the week
(so now at least they can work their slaves/employees in the evening
already, that is progress for these criminals and they will probably
end up supporting those who spread those lies, or some will - and that
could be enough). You see the point ?
Keep in mind also that Israel has a hard neck, and this is not
(necessarily) a good thing, it is not noted in the Torah as a good thing,
but as a bad thing. This obstinacy of Israel, this ultra over the top
conservatism on the one hand, but then paired with these betrayals which
you sadly did allow to occur, it means your obstinacy is set the wrong
way. The obstinacy is protecting people like Rambam now, because they
are thought to be part of a tradition - a tradition of crime that is,
Rabbinical crimes.
You think the truth won't come out in the end ? Rabbis have everything
to fear from going on like this. The Torah says the Redemption will
happen. Rabbis are not going to be able to stop it. You can only affect
your own position relative to it, and that is all. Rabbinical Judaism
has to fall. Your ordination papers are likely going to work against you,
because they mean you should have known better, Rabbis should have known
better, but they included lies in teaching Torah to Israel. This is not
acceptable. The level of these lies is horrible, brazen, and insane.
How can Israel even think heaven will even consider them for Redemption,
when they are lying about the Torah this way ? It is so easy to correct,
but they don't. They don't do Teshuvah, then hheaven will block your
Redemption, if need be forever or until almost all have died.
This isn't a debate anymore. This is an order to do Teshuvah. If you
do not (as a people, and as Rabbis), the consequences will be yours. I
cannot see how someone promoting these lies can live in 'a world of
truth', or the Redemption which is build on the same (the truth, justice,
and peace). People need to stop listening to these Rabbis, stop joining
them in their classes, until they have verified that the Rabbis are not
teaching (these) lies anymore, or even forever. You just cannot trust
someone to tell you the Torah, you cannot place your trust in humans -
this is what the Torah itself says. You can only put trust in your God,
hence you must always verify what someone says about the Torah (including
what I am saying here). Look it up ! It is that simple, especially now
with the Internet. If you need pointers, just ask, I can give a list.
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@[anomymized, person []
1 day ago (edited)
This, the statement that Jews only make Aliyah when the final conditions
are met, is simply not true because The Rambam lists specifications to
reach a lower bar where the leader is only Chezkat Mashiach.
+1
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@josboersema1352
@[anonymized, person 1] Hello, thank you for your reply. You reply
to my comment, but I did not mention 'Aliyah' (returning to the land
of Israel). You made a statement on your own, and then said it was not
true. On the other hand, it could be a reasonable consequence of what
Rambam is doing, as per the argument I gave (and perhaps the Rabbi did
the same, but he seemed to perhaps pander to it to a degree.)
This is what Rambam seems to write:
4. If a king arises from the House of David23 who meditates on the
Torah and occupies himself with the commandments like his ancestor
David, in accordance with the written and oral Torah,24 and he will
prevail upon all of Israel to walk in [the ways of the Torah] and
strengthen its breaches,25 and he will fight the battles of G‑d26
it may be assumed that he is Mashiach.27
Hence, you are only going to assume someone is moshiach, when he basically
already succeeded completely. He even has all of Israel walk in the
ways of the Torah, already fought the battles of Hashem, strengthen
the breaches of the Torah. The whole thing is done. Only then you are
to assume he is 'Moshiach' ? Hence the point: you end up sitting on the
sidelines doing nothing, when the Redemption is in full swing. Not unlike
the Jewish people in Egypt perhaps, who stayed in Egypt (sources say,
many stayed in Egypt, the vast majority even).
Rambam treats this title 'moshiach' as if it is something for a
history lesson, or some determination or title after someone has done
something. While you can look at it that way, it is not actionable (so
to say). You want to jump on with 'moshiach' and the Torah and the truth
as soon as you can, as soon as you know that there is more truth with
'moshiach' then without (so to say), or to listen to his voice (what he
is saying).
I now read this Rambam again, and it's just even worse: not only is
'moshiach' supposed to pretty much do the whole job already before you
may 'assume' he is 'moshiach', he already needs to be a King as well
(at least in these statements). The bar to meet here is just wild, and
it is also not in the Torah, because the prophets say: riding lowly on a
donkey and also comes on the wings of an eagle by which we can assume,
was not already there (is not a King already). We see all kinds of
suggestions everywhere, that 'moshiach' is hated, is scorned, is ignored,
is thought to be a banished person, afflicted by the will fo God, and so
on. Not a King in his palace parading around being powerful and wealthy,
who then on top of all that behaves like King David.
Hence the idea (but there may be other parts of Rambam which are different
- I don't read the works of known liars such as Rambam / Maimonides so
... and I can't be asked to either), that Rambam delays the Redemption,
by making it more difficult for someone to do the job succesfully, because
people might think: "This one matches everything so far, the job seems
to be on, we see the progress, we see the truth, we see that this is
a correction of the Torah ... but alas, he's not declared King yet or
alas ... he hasn't made all of Israel come back to the Torah (because
I am resisting what he says, because Rambam told me to be cautious to
the end until the full proof was in), so we just wait and see. Rambam
creates that 'moshiach' cannot do the job, because people might think:
we may not assume yet, because he did not convince me yet ! Why not
convince you (that person) yet: because that person is waiting until
everyone returns to the Torah, only then he can assume this is 'moshiach'
and we should listen ! lol .. isn't it funny ? Well, maybe not.
Have a guten Shabbos. Counter arguments always welcomed, of course.
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@[anonymized, person 2]
Quite the rant. Let me start with saying, nobody should listen to what
you're saying because it's heretical to Judaism. If people were following
every person claiming to be moshiach, and more than one had fulfilled
one sign only but none had fulfilled them all, this would mean "I guess"
a few things:
A) you guessed so you obviously aren't even learned yet and you'd
like to teach; try getting a job in public schools somewhere in a blue
state. Better suits your experience.
B) all the people would be divided over who to believe at a time when the
REAL moshiach will likely need all of the people behind him to accomplish
his overwhelming task.
C) anyone who "guesses" that he can outsmart Rambam at halakha is not
worth hearing from. You may as well try to one on one with Michael Jordan
in his prime.
D) if you can't outsmart Rambam, but you think you can, you surely can't
hang with moshiach. He will be there to speak up for himself in ways
Rambam can't, and leave you embarrassed like you belong.
@josboersema1352
3 hours ago
@EmetSheker Thank you for your reply. Your reply was rude, I tell
you that so that you can work on that. I did not suggest people should
run after anyone who looks like he could be moshiach (like the Rabbis
sometimes are doing, and now again some are doing that with Rebbe
Schneerson of Chabad), unless perhaps it is only to the extend it matches
the Torah. The point has been made, and you have not added any arguments,
besides this attempt at going to the other extreme of the argument.
Since there is nobody who can make any meaningful argument on the
important topics it seems (I have been on this since 2008), and with
important i do not mean what Rambam writes but rather what Moshe
Rabbeinu (The Torah) writes about money (loans) and land (Jubilee)
and rest (Shabbos), I guess it has to be taken as proven than, what
I have written above: prozbul, heter iska, no Jubilee and working
on Shabbos evening, these are frauds of the Rabbis. Rambam pretends
these frauds are law. They are in the Shulchan Aruch. Israel, you are
in rebellion. You are an idolatrous nation, who worships authority
rather than to be honest with the truth and what the Torah says. You
have written that my arguments are not worth listening to, but they are
from the Torah. In the 7th year the debt to the poor Jew is cancelled,
in the 50th the land returns to the family, the 7th day is for rest,
you shall not ask interest from your fellow Jew on a loan.
The Torah is clear, it is not is heaven. You do not need to ask someone
living in Egypt what it means. You are causing your own exile with your
hard neck. Do not expect a Redemption when you go on with these treasonous
laws and phony sages. Rambam is a heretic who changes the law, Rambam
is not moshiach either. Every round of punishment is 7 times worse,
until you return or almost none are left. The last punishment was the
Nazis. Return to the law, lower your head for your God, who is your King,
and for the truth as all reasonable and kind people have to.
[Paragraph division and s/meat/mean/ added/corrected.]
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I was wondering if there was suddenly a reply, because this might be
the last time I try to help you, Israel. I am further strengthened in
my decision that I will *never* join your Nation of hard necked people,
who take 10+ years to admit an obvious lie about the Torah, and just all
around avoid even the civil behavior of a debate on a communication /
debating platform (including this, Usenet). You reject the rebuke, like
you have always rejected the rebuke.
You are an idolatrous Nation, with a hard neck. Stubborn. Nevertheless,
the true Jew has a heart of gold (so to say), a kind heart, and a witty
mind. Somehow I can never really get to find any of those, but I know
they exist and are even common.
You should know I merely compute the Torah for you (as I call it),
*your* Torah. In terms of *your* Torah, there is no way you can be
Redeemed, and if you get banished from Eretz Yisroel after the
Redemption for following Rambam, you would be lucky (!). It is outright
treason, and this carries heavy penalties in the Torah. Perhaps several
years in prison at the minimum, and then worsening on repeat offenses ?
I am talking about carrying out the treasons of Rambam of course, not
merely to have his book or say it is true, because it probably falls
short of outright idolatry. You would be guilty over such things as
...well there we go: breaking the Shabbos (which I assume is in there in
the Rabbinical sense, which implies breaking the Shabbos in the
evening). You would be guilty over asking interest from another Jew,
you would be guilty over not nullifying or making loans to the poor, if
it is determined that you should have. You would be guilty, perhaps
worst of all, of not returning the land in the 50th year, or being part
of a movement which prevents the Jubilee on land to occur at all (!).
You would be guilty over serious offenses, and then you come up for law
enforcement, court case, and possible punishment. This is how I compute
the Torah, your Torah, because it is a clear law, easy to understand.
Then of course I have my own proposal to the entire world, not
necessarily Israel (see signature). In that case, things are probably a
lot more relaxed. Anyone who wants to support that, I'm happy of course.
Anyone who tries, I'm happy, anyone who even bothers to understand, I'm
happy. It doesn't matter if I'm happy or not, either, but just saying.
There are no such things as death penalties for idolatry or working on
the 7th day in this system, not even close. The death penalty is also
not even part of this system, it is rather specifically outlawed. I do
not trust human justice enough, to be able to make irreversible
punishments. Therefore all severely degrading (torture, maiming) and
irreversible punishments (death) are against this law system.
You could however still speak of 'requirenments' of making a success out
of this legal system, even though it is made to accomodate as dumb and
bad a people as possible. Why would dumb and bad people want this legal
system at all ? Good question, they probably don't. Nevertheless, if
they wheren't so dumb or had a flash of insight and care, perhaps they
would realize it is better for them to all hold on to a piece of the
power and make that a formality, so that they can prevent and curb the
worst of the tyrannical abuses which may be coming in the future, or
even much of it. It would not surprise me if we end up with a situation,
where both the hardened and older street gangsters who have been through
a lot and seen it all, that they if they study this system, end up
liking it, because they know basically what is going on more than the
average street fool who never put a thought into anything, believing
everything that is on TV. In case people don't know, hardened higher
ranking criminals are studying history, war, philosophy, of course
things like war tactics and so on. You can't be a complete fool if you
want to operate in the higher ranks of the criminal underworld - it is
its own thing. Some of these people end up realizing how ultimately
damaging and fraudulent the whole thing of course is, but then they
shrugg their shoulders saying: we never had a fair chance in this life,
and that is basically true. They didn't have their land, society was
bogged down under organized crime already (psychopathic bankers,
financiers and evil ultra-rich people, a lying mass media, etc). The
jump to support the Torah from there, is very great. The Torah requires
top level morality, in the face of any adversity, whatsoever. If the
whole world is against you, you still persist. My legal system however,
argues: give everyone a fair chance and keep it so, and if we see people
abusing others, we have tools and protocols and a position of power to
do something about that. If you cannot make a fair living in this
system, that become more or less your own fault, in ways that this is
not true in Capitalism. You don't have your land in Capitalism, and you
will *never* be part of anything if you end up being a burger flipper,
or a magazine box pusher, or a road worker. You'll just be someone
else's tool, until they discard you. This viciousness also helps people
ratify their choice for crime: if the top is criminals (which they are),
then why don't we do the same but for ourselves ? The system as I
propose it, can make it easy for some of the top criminals who are kind
of tired of the whole thing, to see the logic of it all, and then
perhaps end up being motivated to suppor it. I think this will be a
strong force in the end, if this happens, because the criminals have a
lot of initiative, and at least the top guys, they are not that stupid.
Ordinary criminal, probably still quite stupid, although somewhat
cunning. It is a bit like an army thing, where the ordinary criminal is
like a trooper, but the high ranking criminals are more like the
officers and/or the special forces in the criminal underworld. They
understand things a lot faster. It would be very good to have this force
on our side. It is a possibility that this can happen, although it
should also happen with the Torah - until the Jubilee was ruined, and
that probably made it all collapse. Without your land, you don't have a
real chance anymore. They took your freedom, they took away your life.
Then of course we have good people, who should without fail support what
I propose at least above the Capitalist-Parliament system we have now,
which is simply a failed economic system and a tenuous system of State
which invites corruption (too long mandates for a people who lack the
honesty and a conscience to handle it). Compared to some other systems,
on the other hand: it can be a bit of a tossup. The only real argument
against what I am proposing is that people may lack the civilization to
deal with it, the motivation, or they even just *want* to be slaves
(well paid slaves, of course ... but how long will that last ?).
Then there is a third possibility: Torah of Moshe Rabbeinu, plus this
system as I propose it on top of it, or mixed in with it somehow. This
is a possibility, and perhaps less unlikely than it might look at first.
Example: if my proposal was done in the Netherlands, do you think we
will stop making cheese and eating herring ? I certainly hope not. In
the case of Israel, should Israel stop with the Shabbos once they gain
an interest in what I propose (if ever) ? I think, absolutely not ! (A
7th day rest is not presscribed as a Constitutional law in my model, but
I do promote the idea that a people will decide by themselves to make
such a law, to have a rest day and rest days).
It remains to be seen how this is supposed to work out, however. It is a
good debate I suppose. Even a good test, if they are able to have that
kind of debate and come out with something good. In terms of practical
requirenments: heart and mind need to be at a minimum, I suppose.
Understanding, and care for others (and yourself as if you are another,
I guess). Intelligence and care for the common good, for people who are
suffering in particular. If you behave perfectly under the Torah of
Moshe Rabbeinu, but you are really a fool and don't understand anything,
this may not be good enough to operate in the system as I propose it.
You should not be a fool if you are a Jew, because you should have had
your land, and your land is a challenge in life, and that makes you
wiser (or should), I think. Sadly however, you ruined that for
yourselves. On the other hand, if your heart is wide and all of Israel
fits in your heart, even if you are a fool for now, the mind is easier
to fix than the heart (my opinion). Perhaps you can still make it, if
you really care for people; no better: you *should* make it, you should
force yourself to make it, and you will make it.
The mind of a fool, believes stupidity to be true.
Compare this though:
The heart of the evil man, enjoys it when he sees someone suffer.
The fool hurts himself, and with enough time and experience, he will
eventually be wiser than the wisest man on Earth.
The evil man on the other hand, how can he turn his heart around so that
he will have pain when he sees another in pain, and be glad when he sees
another be happy ? How can he turn his hysterical evil laughter when he
sees pain in others, to have the irrepressable urge to cry when he sees
another suffer terribly ?
All the fool has to do, is gain experiences with things in life, even
technical things, making things, learning about crafts, and so on.
How does the evil man turn his heart around, though. I don't even know
the answer to that. Through intense will power, through suffering badly
himself ? Perhaps that is the way. It doesn't sound so easy, and who is
going to administer this suffering, if the whole Nation has become good ?
I guess he will suffer though, because if the whole world is at peace
and happy, but he - the evil man - gains his happiness from seeing
others suffer and also abusing others for self gain, this person is more
or less lost. He will suffer, because he cannot enjoy a real peace,
cannot manipulate the truth with his lies anymore, can't get away with
abusing people, and may feel a terrible and overwhelming fear because
"the good guys" finally did win and did win forever. There is no escape
for those who want to do evil, there is on chance anymore for them, and
they might not enjoy working for an honest trade. They are more or less
alone with their own evil and warped nature, in a world where there is
no place for that anymore, no joy to be extracted from being that way.
Therefore, if you are merely a fool, but a "good fool", (such as Jewish
people who believe in Rambam, which is being a fool), you shouldn't
loose all hope because of this herecy and this betrayal of the Torah.
So long as you care for your brothers and sisters, but you just got
confused, it shouldn't be extremely difficult to get corrected, and
live. You could just admit you have been confused, try to do better,
support what is right, and hope that next time a Rambam or an Hillel the
Elder comes along, that you will be wise enough by then to resist them.
If, on the other hand, Jewish people do not wish to repent from
supporting Rambam / Maimonides, with all the betrayals he has listed
(which I think is enough to ruin Israel as a sovereignty, especially the
loss of the Jubilee is a catastrophy) ... then perhaps you have dropped
down to such a level of foolishness, that there is no immediate hope for
that. If there are not enough wiser Jewish people, to drag the fools
along with them on the hope that they will still learn and in the merrit
of their caring hearts, then there may be no alternative than another
round of punishment, 7 times worse each round, until this condition has
been met, and Israel can finally be Redeemed.
(Of course I can make up something about how to mix the Torah with what
I am proposing, there is all kinds of possibilites with either this or
the other system having the precedence; I could do that, but I would
rather that you did that if you wanted that, and for now if you are
Jewish and religious you should just stop lying about your Torah
already, and stop dishonering Moshe Rabbeinu and the Prophets and King
David with your fallen Sages such as Hillel and Rambam. The truth is the
truth, and this is possibly the easiest step for you to take. If you are
not religious even, then I guess you could just investigate what I am
proposing in the signature, and do that. Both groups can also come
together, which is actually a natural consequence of the State election
system as proposed. I however, do not understand why you want to be
liars, I just do not comprehend it. Why are you lying about the Torah.
Who do *you* think you are, to be lying about the Torah ? Prozbul is a
lie, there is no discussion possible on that. Selling land in perpetuity
and pretending that this is the Torah, is a lie. How can you function in
any sort of culture, if you are into lying ?! I just don't see it, I
don't understand it, and I will never be part of it.)
At least I made right on one thing you did: indeed, this is "quite the
rant" now ;-).
You did it all to yourselves, Israel. Your God was there for you, with
outstretched arms, to take you back, because you still have your written
Torah, your Tanach, and it seems to be in fine condition, quite unlike
the mess you have created around it.
I understand that you may be fearfull of me in person (well, it can
happen), or fearfull of making a mistake. Your focus is off. You should
be afraid of not doing your Torah, and you should be afraid of your God,
not of me. I ask you just this: do your Torah. Do I try to force you to
do my legal system ? Never, I always say: you can study it, and if you
understand and agree, then do it. That's all ! You also don't even have
to acknowledge me in any way, but I just want you to stop lying about
your own Torah. I want you, Israel, to be the Lamp to the Nations, so
that the world has a chance, a chance to life.
I don't want all these people to die and suffer. There is so much
foolishness and stupidity, and this causes people to suffer badly, but
this time it might take on a whole new dimension thanks to modern
technology, warfare & Tyranny with it. I just want people to life and
have a chance, but they are fools. If you don't give them the example,
and they already murdered out the Native Indians of north America almost
entirely (many who also have good ideas, and they understand it unlike
you who do not understand your Torah almost at all it seems), then who
will give the example, who is going to make a difference in this mess ?
You don't want to ? I don't want to ? Then we are part of the same
problem, and also don't deserve any better. We have to do better than
this, we have to make the difference.
Do it, and do it now. You say 'moshiach now' ? Then at least stop your
organized lying about the Torah, NOW. Unbelievable, such a small thing
to ask, and they treat it like the sky is falling and their world is
collapsing. Such fools. It's quite the opposite: the haze is lifting,
perhaps much of the suffering will soon be over. How do they react ? You
saw it. Remember this when the next round of punishment has happened.
You did it all to yourselves, you have nobody else to blame. Gentiles
are bad ? Sure, many of them can be horrible. So ? Is that news ? You
have been given your ways to deal with it, but you gave up on that. Are
bears horrible, and its all their fault when they kill people ? We have
ways to deal with bears, so that if we still get hurt, it's our own
fault. Did you try your God, did you return to your Torah and see if you
ended up safe - on a National level ? As far as I heard your history,
Israel was "on top of the world" under King Salomon, the wise. Your God
does not protect you ?! Even in your current state of rebellion, you
still have many victories which are hard not to attribute to military
mircales. Isn't your God telling you: I'm here, right here, waiting for
you ! If however, you ultimately do not stop lying and return to the
truth, then how can even God save you from yourselves, and what you
yourselves need in order to do better.
This is the world we are in, we have to solve this problem. We can and
we will. WHat is it going to cost you, Israel, what is the price you are
going to pay for your foolishness ? A few hours of your time ? Millions
and millions of dead Jewish people, decades of crying and mourning ? It
is you who makes this choice, everyone else is just waiting for you to
do what is right. But ... but you are a confused, unruly and wild people ?
I don't know dudes, you have to do what you have to do to get it right.
It's your problem. Deal with it. Seek to be kind to others, talk with a
soft tongue, but do not avoid the truth of course, but seek the truth.
You are in a state of total confusion ? Yes indeed ! But it is not
because you are dumb, nobody is this dumb that they don't know better
than this idiotic prozbul of yours. It is a problem of will, you *want*
to play dumb. Since when is Hillel the Elder a Prophet ? Never even
officially designated as such, and never probably will. What don't you
understand about the law of prophets in the Torah ? It is clear as clear
can be. You are not really confused, you can't be. You are messing it
up, because you want to mess it up. Find someone who also wants the
truth, and build up from there. I don't know, deal with it.
You think that if we have a dike breach problem in the Netherlands, that
we are also not just going to try to deal with it as best we can,
knowing what is on the line ? If we can't get sandbags there, then
someone will put their finger in the dike. If we can't save the dike,
the people have to run. If your house is burning, you throw any water
you can find on it, and if you can't save your house you may try to run
off with some valuable belongings, and if you can't run off with your
valuable belongings than at least you try to save your life. It isn't
fun, but you try to deal with it, because you have to deal with it. Deal
with it. Do what ever you have to do. Just stop lying already, goodness
sakes what is wrong with your people ?! Prozbul ?! Kidding me ?! Pfff.
This is your Torah nowadays ?! No Jubilee because of this lying that
"all of Israel needs to be in the land" when I read something completely
different (announce the Jubilee to all in the land) ? How do you expect
to be taken serious after this kind of behavior.
This is probably my mistake. I take you too serious. I care too much
about you, perhaps. I should stop taking you serious and start ignoring
you, like you ignore the Torah.
Oy oy oy .... Why do I even bother with all this.
If, however, what i propose ends up being the Redemption, then let the
gentiles know: I don't think I would have pressed on with it, through
the indescribable suffering (no words for it in this language), because
the Jewish people kept asking for it, and I did not want them to end up
disappointed. If this saves you also, gentiles: know that all i
complained about them, I complain about you worse, and if it wasn't for
them, I would quite possibly have aborted the whole thing. I did it for
them. I cannot accept failure, for their sake, and to see their
disappointment and their loss. That is: the loss of Israel, you know who
they are, they know who they are, the people with their Synagogues and
their funny hats, the people you attacked so many times, even though not
all your complaints where wrong. What did you do ? Even much of what you
do right, gentiles, you do it because you heard it from them as well. Go
thank them, and all be happy together in the end.
If what I propose is not the Redemption, at least its the truth about
the Torah, and you can do that.
Oy oy oy Israel, why do you always ask the wrong question, the "who"
question. I wish you where able to ask the "why" and the "what" and the
"how" question. You are an idolatrous Nation, with a hard neck. Return
Israel, before heaven has to force you. Don't you see the whole thing
lined up already ? Do you finally see it ? Nothing much was going on
around 2008 (it is now 6004 already, in the Jewish year, assuming 430
years in Egypt, as the Torah says !) ? Now, closer and closer we edge to
the full out nuclear war. Told you so. Anti-semitism rising sharply ?
Told you so. You thought you are safe in America, safe in the Zionist
rebel State ? Not so, told you so. Don't make it so, than when you
suffer 7 times worse than under the Nazis, that I am left with nothing
more than to say: told you so, many years in advance. You caused it on
yourself, because you refused to listen to your Torah and the truth
about it.
Today even, I walked in my city in the old Jewish street. There are
stones there, it seems mabe out of bronze or something, and they list
the names of deported Jews. There is barely a Jew left in this city,
even though you had two important streets in the center, and a great
Synagogue. All gone, and for what ? You have been there before. The
living memory of it is just fading. Did you learn nothing ? You said
"never again", but you did not return to your Torah. Why ? You force
heaven to conduct another "yes again", because of it. You dance with
your Torah, you say it is great, and then you ignore it, and you are
rude if someone point it out. Imagine you thanked me for it, and in a
few years, all the Rabbis had cleaned up their act. Jubilee active in
Eretz Yisrael, the whole world falls on their face, non stop you are the
topic in much of the world. The Jews done it ! Now we understand !
Next time there is a Revolution needed in some Nation, delegates come to
Yerushalayim: how do you do this, why did you do that, how can you help
us learn and do what you have accomplished ? They be begging you,
honoring you, because you will be able to help them live & become a
happy people, like you should be.
But no, nothing: hard neck, idolatrous, bogged down in their schisms,
hatred rising all over the world, and they all know so well what is
right and wrong - without bothering to engage an argument of course,
they "know" they Rabbi is right pffff. Well Israel, you go try out what
you are doing, and heaven will do the sorting, but you have been warned
to correct yourself and stop lying LYING about the Torah. Does that
offend you ? Good, then you know how bad it is what you have done, and
how shameless you where for supporting the Shulchan Aruch, Rambam,
Hillel, the Mishne Torah, these lying books which you think are great.
You even said this, I can't believe how mindless it is, but: if it
stands and continues in time, it must be true. How absurd. How old is
the Hindu religion by now ? Wasn't Egypt there before you ? How long are
the western idolators going on with their thing, thousands of years
already. In any case, if that is your argument: I also can go on here,
for many many years already, and nobody stops me. Heaven doesn't stop
me, on the contrary. I don't even have to work, I have everything for
free, always. Last week I bought a new watch, a 350,- automatic. I'm
looking at 2 computers here, and I have a quite roomy appartment, and a
vegetable garden nearby. All day long I can rave and rant against
Rambam, I have more time probably than Rambam himself (who was also a
doctor wasn't he, repairing some big honcho in Egypt ?). Your Torah
especially, it never changed, it never ended up containing the lies you
are spreading about it. It's still there, you just chose to ignore it
for now. Why did Moshe Rabbeinu write in stone ? I think it is obvious:
because that is very long lasting, potentially forever. Stone really
doesn't have to change at all, it could literally last a million years.
Also, very hard to change the letters on those stones, if the priests
become corrupt. They would have to probably hack out new stones with
lies, and replace them with the old, since working within the Temple is
likely too noisy.
Your lies also lasted a long time now, but look: you suffered a lot in
the exile, it wasn't a good time. You where basically burning the whole
time. This isn't even an argument. Craziness on Earth can last very
long, even longer than my endless ranting. I better stop this, before it
gets deleted for length (it might be deleted for length). I'm sorry.
sigh.
this motivated me to leave a reply on his youtube video. It is not him
(the Rabbi) who then replied to that. It isn't the fault of the Rabbis
that what are perhaps his followers, students or perhaps just random
folk who saw his video, misbehave in subsequent replies. On the contrary,
if he has to deal with this kind of people, I feel sorry for the Rabbi.
Rabbis always keep silent, though. Perhaps they know that they don't
have any arguments, and they rather not alert their people to that
fact by mounting an absurd argument which is clearly fake. Silence is
a potent weapon in such cases. It makes the followers believe that the
reply was wrong for some "obvious" reason, which they just don't know
about, because they are too humble to even think they know anything,
or they are too mindless to care to find out what is going on, or both.
This is of course merely a general complaint about most Rabbis that I
have encountered (or all even), not this particular one. Perhaps he is
studying in earnest, and will soon do Teshuvah, thus kicking off the
final Redemption ! We shall see ... Just like Israel is not "holding
their breath" or the Redemption, neither am I holding my breath on their
Teshuvah anymore. They chose lies, and this is a strong and fundamental
choice they made for themselves, a choice for death (in the parlance
of Judaism).
I post this here with the complete comments, because I want Israel to
know how they are misbehaving, and also treating me personally. How they
react to an obviously true rebuke on the Torah (Da'at Torah you call
this, argued from the Torah itself ?). How you have misbehaved to me
personally. You call me a "heretic", which I suspect is the death
penalty in the Torah.
To be honest on all the replies I have gotten, which seems to be well
under 20 in total for 10+ years of many articles written on the same
topic over and over again, always basically the same, they fall out into
two categories
Relatively friendly remark "this is interesting", and relatively rude
reply "how dare you ... you are wrong ...". These replies both share a
common characteristic: they are both useless. Nothing comes out of
either of them in the end, nothing practical gets done. Secondly, they
do never contain any meaningful argument. As far as I can recall, in all
this time, i have never received any meaningful argument from Israel.
I once heard something like, leave us alone with our books, we don't
want outsiders commenting on our books. i heard perhaps twice (both
woman) say it was interesting, but nothing further. I heard woman
complain that what I was writing was not what they wanted their children
to read (!). They literally condemned their children to a life against
the Torah, which easily means consigning them over to death(!). That's
what the Torah says, at least eventually. So deep is the indoctrination,
the hard neck, and their idolatry to their "sages", this is how deeply
they broke with their God. I heard (now) that what I wrote was
"heretical in Judaism" (which is true if you define 'Judaism' as that
ideology which is at odds with the Torah and itself heretical, but by
then it already lost its real meaning). I heard once a complaint, even
though I was only arguing the Torah on its economics, that I am not
'moshiach'. Apparently the inference was made, that because I try to
mend the "breaches in the Torah", that I therefore implied I was
'moshiach' ? Was it merely because I arroused irritation for writing a
long text ?
Whatever the case, I am always grateful when a Rabbi does not remove my
comment. If you leave it on, not sencor it out and hide it, destroy it,
I am grateful to you. You are not ultimately hiding the argument, even
if you do not reply and do not do Teshuvah. You give me a reason to see
you as a friend, you provided that platform which allowed the argument
to take place at all. Without your youtube, there would have been no
platform, no way to reach Israel. You created that window in what
perhaps would either be even the Redemption itself, or at least a return
to the Torah on the economics of it (not exactly a minor topic, at
all!).
title: What makes Moshiach, Moshiach
source: @RabbiIsserZWeisberg
link: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/guWUaQwdbS4
Reply:
@josboersema1352
Rambam describes the requirenments of 'moshiach', as if he is an
outsider. He is merely looking at it, and not participating. However it
is worse, he is actively trying to undermine the Torah and the Redemption
in I guess at least 3 ways.
1. He argues with Jewish people to not support this 'moshiach' or not
support in full, until the whole process is already done. This would
mean many Jewish people are going to read Radmab, and even though they
should have known better already, they will not support who does end up
being 'moshiach', until it is all over and they ended up doing nothing
for it. This could also mean, these Jews will end up outside of the
Redemption, and no longer being allowed to do Teshuvah, they will loose
their place in the Redemption, potentially forever. That's your Rambam
for you. The Redemption is also about 'Teshuvah'. If you postpone the
'Teshuvah' until everything has already been done, you could be accused
of doing Teshuvah because you want to join the winning team, and not
because you care about the truth (when it is hard).
2. The second way Rambam destroys the Jewish people on the issue of
Redemption, is because he accuses this 'moshiach' of tarrying. Moshiach
is not tarrying, but rather the exact opposite (this is in the Torah:
in its time, I will hurry him) Rambam however says '... I believe
... even though he might tarry ...' This is a lie. It looks like he
made up this lie all by himself ? Who told him this lie, if he didn't
make it up himself ? Because Rambam tells Jewish people that it in not
their fault in tarrying with the Torah that the Redemption is every
day delayed by another day, but rather it is the 'moshiach's fault,
therefore Jewish people are coaxed into blaming the fact that there
is no Redemption on 'moshiach'. Moshiach is just hanging out on the
beach doing some 'tarrying' for unknown reasons, while Jewish people
are suffering another massive attack. I already saw Jews joking about
this. It is also Loshon Hara, it is hate talk behind someone their back.
3. This is the worst of how Rambam destroys the Redemption, because he
codified the lies of the Rabbis about various topics of law, by which
they have overthrown the Torah and are causing the exile: prozbul, not
doing the Jubilee (absurd reading of the Torah), breaking the Shabbos
with absurd day change moment, and he added the 'heter iska, to these
fraudulest economic laws (its all about serving the rich, rather than
Justice, if you notice).
Rambam also went back to Egypt, and was part of an expulsion from Spain,
both of which indicate that he was rejected. He was also rejected in this
time, but the Rabbis caved in and became even more corrupt because of
him. There will not likely be a Redemption ever, unless you do Teshuvah
for following the so-called 'Sages', such as Hillel the Elder and Rambam /
Maimonides. You have made up your own phony Torah, to serve the rich and
get money out of them. The rich and criminal are probably funding all
this, because they like it when they can keep their money. It doesn't
matter to them if you spend your money on Charity, but it matters to
them if you force them to pay for easy loans, nullify them, and not be
allowed to play debt games for profit with others, or if they have to
return the land which they are buying in perpetuity or outright stealing
it, or if they cannot work their slaves and animals one day in the week
(so now at least they can work their slaves/employees in the evening
already, that is progress for these criminals and they will probably
end up supporting those who spread those lies, or some will - and that
could be enough). You see the point ?
Keep in mind also that Israel has a hard neck, and this is not
(necessarily) a good thing, it is not noted in the Torah as a good thing,
but as a bad thing. This obstinacy of Israel, this ultra over the top
conservatism on the one hand, but then paired with these betrayals which
you sadly did allow to occur, it means your obstinacy is set the wrong
way. The obstinacy is protecting people like Rambam now, because they
are thought to be part of a tradition - a tradition of crime that is,
Rabbinical crimes.
You think the truth won't come out in the end ? Rabbis have everything
to fear from going on like this. The Torah says the Redemption will
happen. Rabbis are not going to be able to stop it. You can only affect
your own position relative to it, and that is all. Rabbinical Judaism
has to fall. Your ordination papers are likely going to work against you,
because they mean you should have known better, Rabbis should have known
better, but they included lies in teaching Torah to Israel. This is not
acceptable. The level of these lies is horrible, brazen, and insane.
How can Israel even think heaven will even consider them for Redemption,
when they are lying about the Torah this way ? It is so easy to correct,
but they don't. They don't do Teshuvah, then hheaven will block your
Redemption, if need be forever or until almost all have died.
This isn't a debate anymore. This is an order to do Teshuvah. If you
do not (as a people, and as Rabbis), the consequences will be yours. I
cannot see how someone promoting these lies can live in 'a world of
truth', or the Redemption which is build on the same (the truth, justice,
and peace). People need to stop listening to these Rabbis, stop joining
them in their classes, until they have verified that the Rabbis are not
teaching (these) lies anymore, or even forever. You just cannot trust
someone to tell you the Torah, you cannot place your trust in humans -
this is what the Torah itself says. You can only put trust in your God,
hence you must always verify what someone says about the Torah (including
what I am saying here). Look it up ! It is that simple, especially now
with the Internet. If you need pointers, just ask, I can give a list.
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@[anomymized, person []
1 day ago (edited)
This, the statement that Jews only make Aliyah when the final conditions
are met, is simply not true because The Rambam lists specifications to
reach a lower bar where the leader is only Chezkat Mashiach.
+1
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@josboersema1352
@[anonymized, person 1] Hello, thank you for your reply. You reply
to my comment, but I did not mention 'Aliyah' (returning to the land
of Israel). You made a statement on your own, and then said it was not
true. On the other hand, it could be a reasonable consequence of what
Rambam is doing, as per the argument I gave (and perhaps the Rabbi did
the same, but he seemed to perhaps pander to it to a degree.)
This is what Rambam seems to write:
4. If a king arises from the House of David23 who meditates on the
Torah and occupies himself with the commandments like his ancestor
David, in accordance with the written and oral Torah,24 and he will
prevail upon all of Israel to walk in [the ways of the Torah] and
strengthen its breaches,25 and he will fight the battles of G‑d26
it may be assumed that he is Mashiach.27
Hence, you are only going to assume someone is moshiach, when he basically
already succeeded completely. He even has all of Israel walk in the
ways of the Torah, already fought the battles of Hashem, strengthen
the breaches of the Torah. The whole thing is done. Only then you are
to assume he is 'Moshiach' ? Hence the point: you end up sitting on the
sidelines doing nothing, when the Redemption is in full swing. Not unlike
the Jewish people in Egypt perhaps, who stayed in Egypt (sources say,
many stayed in Egypt, the vast majority even).
Rambam treats this title 'moshiach' as if it is something for a
history lesson, or some determination or title after someone has done
something. While you can look at it that way, it is not actionable (so
to say). You want to jump on with 'moshiach' and the Torah and the truth
as soon as you can, as soon as you know that there is more truth with
'moshiach' then without (so to say), or to listen to his voice (what he
is saying).
I now read this Rambam again, and it's just even worse: not only is
'moshiach' supposed to pretty much do the whole job already before you
may 'assume' he is 'moshiach', he already needs to be a King as well
(at least in these statements). The bar to meet here is just wild, and
it is also not in the Torah, because the prophets say: riding lowly on a
donkey and also comes on the wings of an eagle by which we can assume,
was not already there (is not a King already). We see all kinds of
suggestions everywhere, that 'moshiach' is hated, is scorned, is ignored,
is thought to be a banished person, afflicted by the will fo God, and so
on. Not a King in his palace parading around being powerful and wealthy,
who then on top of all that behaves like King David.
Hence the idea (but there may be other parts of Rambam which are different
- I don't read the works of known liars such as Rambam / Maimonides so
... and I can't be asked to either), that Rambam delays the Redemption,
by making it more difficult for someone to do the job succesfully, because
people might think: "This one matches everything so far, the job seems
to be on, we see the progress, we see the truth, we see that this is
a correction of the Torah ... but alas, he's not declared King yet or
alas ... he hasn't made all of Israel come back to the Torah (because
I am resisting what he says, because Rambam told me to be cautious to
the end until the full proof was in), so we just wait and see. Rambam
creates that 'moshiach' cannot do the job, because people might think:
we may not assume yet, because he did not convince me yet ! Why not
convince you (that person) yet: because that person is waiting until
everyone returns to the Torah, only then he can assume this is 'moshiach'
and we should listen ! lol .. isn't it funny ? Well, maybe not.
Have a guten Shabbos. Counter arguments always welcomed, of course.
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@[anonymized, person 2]
Quite the rant. Let me start with saying, nobody should listen to what
you're saying because it's heretical to Judaism. If people were following
every person claiming to be moshiach, and more than one had fulfilled
one sign only but none had fulfilled them all, this would mean "I guess"
a few things:
A) you guessed so you obviously aren't even learned yet and you'd
like to teach; try getting a job in public schools somewhere in a blue
state. Better suits your experience.
B) all the people would be divided over who to believe at a time when the
REAL moshiach will likely need all of the people behind him to accomplish
his overwhelming task.
C) anyone who "guesses" that he can outsmart Rambam at halakha is not
worth hearing from. You may as well try to one on one with Michael Jordan
in his prime.
D) if you can't outsmart Rambam, but you think you can, you surely can't
hang with moshiach. He will be there to speak up for himself in ways
Rambam can't, and leave you embarrassed like you belong.
@josboersema1352
3 hours ago
@EmetSheker Thank you for your reply. Your reply was rude, I tell
you that so that you can work on that. I did not suggest people should
run after anyone who looks like he could be moshiach (like the Rabbis
sometimes are doing, and now again some are doing that with Rebbe
Schneerson of Chabad), unless perhaps it is only to the extend it matches
the Torah. The point has been made, and you have not added any arguments,
besides this attempt at going to the other extreme of the argument.
Since there is nobody who can make any meaningful argument on the
important topics it seems (I have been on this since 2008), and with
important i do not mean what Rambam writes but rather what Moshe
Rabbeinu (The Torah) writes about money (loans) and land (Jubilee)
and rest (Shabbos), I guess it has to be taken as proven than, what
I have written above: prozbul, heter iska, no Jubilee and working
on Shabbos evening, these are frauds of the Rabbis. Rambam pretends
these frauds are law. They are in the Shulchan Aruch. Israel, you are
in rebellion. You are an idolatrous nation, who worships authority
rather than to be honest with the truth and what the Torah says. You
have written that my arguments are not worth listening to, but they are
from the Torah. In the 7th year the debt to the poor Jew is cancelled,
in the 50th the land returns to the family, the 7th day is for rest,
you shall not ask interest from your fellow Jew on a loan.
The Torah is clear, it is not is heaven. You do not need to ask someone
living in Egypt what it means. You are causing your own exile with your
hard neck. Do not expect a Redemption when you go on with these treasonous
laws and phony sages. Rambam is a heretic who changes the law, Rambam
is not moshiach either. Every round of punishment is 7 times worse,
until you return or almost none are left. The last punishment was the
Nazis. Return to the law, lower your head for your God, who is your King,
and for the truth as all reasonable and kind people have to.
[Paragraph division and s/meat/mean/ added/corrected.]
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I was wondering if there was suddenly a reply, because this might be
the last time I try to help you, Israel. I am further strengthened in
my decision that I will *never* join your Nation of hard necked people,
who take 10+ years to admit an obvious lie about the Torah, and just all
around avoid even the civil behavior of a debate on a communication /
debating platform (including this, Usenet). You reject the rebuke, like
you have always rejected the rebuke.
You are an idolatrous Nation, with a hard neck. Stubborn. Nevertheless,
the true Jew has a heart of gold (so to say), a kind heart, and a witty
mind. Somehow I can never really get to find any of those, but I know
they exist and are even common.
You should know I merely compute the Torah for you (as I call it),
*your* Torah. In terms of *your* Torah, there is no way you can be
Redeemed, and if you get banished from Eretz Yisroel after the
Redemption for following Rambam, you would be lucky (!). It is outright
treason, and this carries heavy penalties in the Torah. Perhaps several
years in prison at the minimum, and then worsening on repeat offenses ?
I am talking about carrying out the treasons of Rambam of course, not
merely to have his book or say it is true, because it probably falls
short of outright idolatry. You would be guilty over such things as
...well there we go: breaking the Shabbos (which I assume is in there in
the Rabbinical sense, which implies breaking the Shabbos in the
evening). You would be guilty over asking interest from another Jew,
you would be guilty over not nullifying or making loans to the poor, if
it is determined that you should have. You would be guilty, perhaps
worst of all, of not returning the land in the 50th year, or being part
of a movement which prevents the Jubilee on land to occur at all (!).
You would be guilty over serious offenses, and then you come up for law
enforcement, court case, and possible punishment. This is how I compute
the Torah, your Torah, because it is a clear law, easy to understand.
Then of course I have my own proposal to the entire world, not
necessarily Israel (see signature). In that case, things are probably a
lot more relaxed. Anyone who wants to support that, I'm happy of course.
Anyone who tries, I'm happy, anyone who even bothers to understand, I'm
happy. It doesn't matter if I'm happy or not, either, but just saying.
There are no such things as death penalties for idolatry or working on
the 7th day in this system, not even close. The death penalty is also
not even part of this system, it is rather specifically outlawed. I do
not trust human justice enough, to be able to make irreversible
punishments. Therefore all severely degrading (torture, maiming) and
irreversible punishments (death) are against this law system.
You could however still speak of 'requirenments' of making a success out
of this legal system, even though it is made to accomodate as dumb and
bad a people as possible. Why would dumb and bad people want this legal
system at all ? Good question, they probably don't. Nevertheless, if
they wheren't so dumb or had a flash of insight and care, perhaps they
would realize it is better for them to all hold on to a piece of the
power and make that a formality, so that they can prevent and curb the
worst of the tyrannical abuses which may be coming in the future, or
even much of it. It would not surprise me if we end up with a situation,
where both the hardened and older street gangsters who have been through
a lot and seen it all, that they if they study this system, end up
liking it, because they know basically what is going on more than the
average street fool who never put a thought into anything, believing
everything that is on TV. In case people don't know, hardened higher
ranking criminals are studying history, war, philosophy, of course
things like war tactics and so on. You can't be a complete fool if you
want to operate in the higher ranks of the criminal underworld - it is
its own thing. Some of these people end up realizing how ultimately
damaging and fraudulent the whole thing of course is, but then they
shrugg their shoulders saying: we never had a fair chance in this life,
and that is basically true. They didn't have their land, society was
bogged down under organized crime already (psychopathic bankers,
financiers and evil ultra-rich people, a lying mass media, etc). The
jump to support the Torah from there, is very great. The Torah requires
top level morality, in the face of any adversity, whatsoever. If the
whole world is against you, you still persist. My legal system however,
argues: give everyone a fair chance and keep it so, and if we see people
abusing others, we have tools and protocols and a position of power to
do something about that. If you cannot make a fair living in this
system, that become more or less your own fault, in ways that this is
not true in Capitalism. You don't have your land in Capitalism, and you
will *never* be part of anything if you end up being a burger flipper,
or a magazine box pusher, or a road worker. You'll just be someone
else's tool, until they discard you. This viciousness also helps people
ratify their choice for crime: if the top is criminals (which they are),
then why don't we do the same but for ourselves ? The system as I
propose it, can make it easy for some of the top criminals who are kind
of tired of the whole thing, to see the logic of it all, and then
perhaps end up being motivated to suppor it. I think this will be a
strong force in the end, if this happens, because the criminals have a
lot of initiative, and at least the top guys, they are not that stupid.
Ordinary criminal, probably still quite stupid, although somewhat
cunning. It is a bit like an army thing, where the ordinary criminal is
like a trooper, but the high ranking criminals are more like the
officers and/or the special forces in the criminal underworld. They
understand things a lot faster. It would be very good to have this force
on our side. It is a possibility that this can happen, although it
should also happen with the Torah - until the Jubilee was ruined, and
that probably made it all collapse. Without your land, you don't have a
real chance anymore. They took your freedom, they took away your life.
Then of course we have good people, who should without fail support what
I propose at least above the Capitalist-Parliament system we have now,
which is simply a failed economic system and a tenuous system of State
which invites corruption (too long mandates for a people who lack the
honesty and a conscience to handle it). Compared to some other systems,
on the other hand: it can be a bit of a tossup. The only real argument
against what I am proposing is that people may lack the civilization to
deal with it, the motivation, or they even just *want* to be slaves
(well paid slaves, of course ... but how long will that last ?).
Then there is a third possibility: Torah of Moshe Rabbeinu, plus this
system as I propose it on top of it, or mixed in with it somehow. This
is a possibility, and perhaps less unlikely than it might look at first.
Example: if my proposal was done in the Netherlands, do you think we
will stop making cheese and eating herring ? I certainly hope not. In
the case of Israel, should Israel stop with the Shabbos once they gain
an interest in what I propose (if ever) ? I think, absolutely not ! (A
7th day rest is not presscribed as a Constitutional law in my model, but
I do promote the idea that a people will decide by themselves to make
such a law, to have a rest day and rest days).
It remains to be seen how this is supposed to work out, however. It is a
good debate I suppose. Even a good test, if they are able to have that
kind of debate and come out with something good. In terms of practical
requirenments: heart and mind need to be at a minimum, I suppose.
Understanding, and care for others (and yourself as if you are another,
I guess). Intelligence and care for the common good, for people who are
suffering in particular. If you behave perfectly under the Torah of
Moshe Rabbeinu, but you are really a fool and don't understand anything,
this may not be good enough to operate in the system as I propose it.
You should not be a fool if you are a Jew, because you should have had
your land, and your land is a challenge in life, and that makes you
wiser (or should), I think. Sadly however, you ruined that for
yourselves. On the other hand, if your heart is wide and all of Israel
fits in your heart, even if you are a fool for now, the mind is easier
to fix than the heart (my opinion). Perhaps you can still make it, if
you really care for people; no better: you *should* make it, you should
force yourself to make it, and you will make it.
The mind of a fool, believes stupidity to be true.
Compare this though:
The heart of the evil man, enjoys it when he sees someone suffer.
The fool hurts himself, and with enough time and experience, he will
eventually be wiser than the wisest man on Earth.
The evil man on the other hand, how can he turn his heart around so that
he will have pain when he sees another in pain, and be glad when he sees
another be happy ? How can he turn his hysterical evil laughter when he
sees pain in others, to have the irrepressable urge to cry when he sees
another suffer terribly ?
All the fool has to do, is gain experiences with things in life, even
technical things, making things, learning about crafts, and so on.
How does the evil man turn his heart around, though. I don't even know
the answer to that. Through intense will power, through suffering badly
himself ? Perhaps that is the way. It doesn't sound so easy, and who is
going to administer this suffering, if the whole Nation has become good ?
I guess he will suffer though, because if the whole world is at peace
and happy, but he - the evil man - gains his happiness from seeing
others suffer and also abusing others for self gain, this person is more
or less lost. He will suffer, because he cannot enjoy a real peace,
cannot manipulate the truth with his lies anymore, can't get away with
abusing people, and may feel a terrible and overwhelming fear because
"the good guys" finally did win and did win forever. There is no escape
for those who want to do evil, there is on chance anymore for them, and
they might not enjoy working for an honest trade. They are more or less
alone with their own evil and warped nature, in a world where there is
no place for that anymore, no joy to be extracted from being that way.
Therefore, if you are merely a fool, but a "good fool", (such as Jewish
people who believe in Rambam, which is being a fool), you shouldn't
loose all hope because of this herecy and this betrayal of the Torah.
So long as you care for your brothers and sisters, but you just got
confused, it shouldn't be extremely difficult to get corrected, and
live. You could just admit you have been confused, try to do better,
support what is right, and hope that next time a Rambam or an Hillel the
Elder comes along, that you will be wise enough by then to resist them.
If, on the other hand, Jewish people do not wish to repent from
supporting Rambam / Maimonides, with all the betrayals he has listed
(which I think is enough to ruin Israel as a sovereignty, especially the
loss of the Jubilee is a catastrophy) ... then perhaps you have dropped
down to such a level of foolishness, that there is no immediate hope for
that. If there are not enough wiser Jewish people, to drag the fools
along with them on the hope that they will still learn and in the merrit
of their caring hearts, then there may be no alternative than another
round of punishment, 7 times worse each round, until this condition has
been met, and Israel can finally be Redeemed.
(Of course I can make up something about how to mix the Torah with what
I am proposing, there is all kinds of possibilites with either this or
the other system having the precedence; I could do that, but I would
rather that you did that if you wanted that, and for now if you are
Jewish and religious you should just stop lying about your Torah
already, and stop dishonering Moshe Rabbeinu and the Prophets and King
David with your fallen Sages such as Hillel and Rambam. The truth is the
truth, and this is possibly the easiest step for you to take. If you are
not religious even, then I guess you could just investigate what I am
proposing in the signature, and do that. Both groups can also come
together, which is actually a natural consequence of the State election
system as proposed. I however, do not understand why you want to be
liars, I just do not comprehend it. Why are you lying about the Torah.
Who do *you* think you are, to be lying about the Torah ? Prozbul is a
lie, there is no discussion possible on that. Selling land in perpetuity
and pretending that this is the Torah, is a lie. How can you function in
any sort of culture, if you are into lying ?! I just don't see it, I
don't understand it, and I will never be part of it.)
At least I made right on one thing you did: indeed, this is "quite the
rant" now ;-).
You did it all to yourselves, Israel. Your God was there for you, with
outstretched arms, to take you back, because you still have your written
Torah, your Tanach, and it seems to be in fine condition, quite unlike
the mess you have created around it.
I understand that you may be fearfull of me in person (well, it can
happen), or fearfull of making a mistake. Your focus is off. You should
be afraid of not doing your Torah, and you should be afraid of your God,
not of me. I ask you just this: do your Torah. Do I try to force you to
do my legal system ? Never, I always say: you can study it, and if you
understand and agree, then do it. That's all ! You also don't even have
to acknowledge me in any way, but I just want you to stop lying about
your own Torah. I want you, Israel, to be the Lamp to the Nations, so
that the world has a chance, a chance to life.
I don't want all these people to die and suffer. There is so much
foolishness and stupidity, and this causes people to suffer badly, but
this time it might take on a whole new dimension thanks to modern
technology, warfare & Tyranny with it. I just want people to life and
have a chance, but they are fools. If you don't give them the example,
and they already murdered out the Native Indians of north America almost
entirely (many who also have good ideas, and they understand it unlike
you who do not understand your Torah almost at all it seems), then who
will give the example, who is going to make a difference in this mess ?
You don't want to ? I don't want to ? Then we are part of the same
problem, and also don't deserve any better. We have to do better than
this, we have to make the difference.
Do it, and do it now. You say 'moshiach now' ? Then at least stop your
organized lying about the Torah, NOW. Unbelievable, such a small thing
to ask, and they treat it like the sky is falling and their world is
collapsing. Such fools. It's quite the opposite: the haze is lifting,
perhaps much of the suffering will soon be over. How do they react ? You
saw it. Remember this when the next round of punishment has happened.
You did it all to yourselves, you have nobody else to blame. Gentiles
are bad ? Sure, many of them can be horrible. So ? Is that news ? You
have been given your ways to deal with it, but you gave up on that. Are
bears horrible, and its all their fault when they kill people ? We have
ways to deal with bears, so that if we still get hurt, it's our own
fault. Did you try your God, did you return to your Torah and see if you
ended up safe - on a National level ? As far as I heard your history,
Israel was "on top of the world" under King Salomon, the wise. Your God
does not protect you ?! Even in your current state of rebellion, you
still have many victories which are hard not to attribute to military
mircales. Isn't your God telling you: I'm here, right here, waiting for
you ! If however, you ultimately do not stop lying and return to the
truth, then how can even God save you from yourselves, and what you
yourselves need in order to do better.
This is the world we are in, we have to solve this problem. We can and
we will. WHat is it going to cost you, Israel, what is the price you are
going to pay for your foolishness ? A few hours of your time ? Millions
and millions of dead Jewish people, decades of crying and mourning ? It
is you who makes this choice, everyone else is just waiting for you to
do what is right. But ... but you are a confused, unruly and wild people ?
I don't know dudes, you have to do what you have to do to get it right.
It's your problem. Deal with it. Seek to be kind to others, talk with a
soft tongue, but do not avoid the truth of course, but seek the truth.
You are in a state of total confusion ? Yes indeed ! But it is not
because you are dumb, nobody is this dumb that they don't know better
than this idiotic prozbul of yours. It is a problem of will, you *want*
to play dumb. Since when is Hillel the Elder a Prophet ? Never even
officially designated as such, and never probably will. What don't you
understand about the law of prophets in the Torah ? It is clear as clear
can be. You are not really confused, you can't be. You are messing it
up, because you want to mess it up. Find someone who also wants the
truth, and build up from there. I don't know, deal with it.
You think that if we have a dike breach problem in the Netherlands, that
we are also not just going to try to deal with it as best we can,
knowing what is on the line ? If we can't get sandbags there, then
someone will put their finger in the dike. If we can't save the dike,
the people have to run. If your house is burning, you throw any water
you can find on it, and if you can't save your house you may try to run
off with some valuable belongings, and if you can't run off with your
valuable belongings than at least you try to save your life. It isn't
fun, but you try to deal with it, because you have to deal with it. Deal
with it. Do what ever you have to do. Just stop lying already, goodness
sakes what is wrong with your people ?! Prozbul ?! Kidding me ?! Pfff.
This is your Torah nowadays ?! No Jubilee because of this lying that
"all of Israel needs to be in the land" when I read something completely
different (announce the Jubilee to all in the land) ? How do you expect
to be taken serious after this kind of behavior.
This is probably my mistake. I take you too serious. I care too much
about you, perhaps. I should stop taking you serious and start ignoring
you, like you ignore the Torah.
Oy oy oy .... Why do I even bother with all this.
If, however, what i propose ends up being the Redemption, then let the
gentiles know: I don't think I would have pressed on with it, through
the indescribable suffering (no words for it in this language), because
the Jewish people kept asking for it, and I did not want them to end up
disappointed. If this saves you also, gentiles: know that all i
complained about them, I complain about you worse, and if it wasn't for
them, I would quite possibly have aborted the whole thing. I did it for
them. I cannot accept failure, for their sake, and to see their
disappointment and their loss. That is: the loss of Israel, you know who
they are, they know who they are, the people with their Synagogues and
their funny hats, the people you attacked so many times, even though not
all your complaints where wrong. What did you do ? Even much of what you
do right, gentiles, you do it because you heard it from them as well. Go
thank them, and all be happy together in the end.
If what I propose is not the Redemption, at least its the truth about
the Torah, and you can do that.
Oy oy oy Israel, why do you always ask the wrong question, the "who"
question. I wish you where able to ask the "why" and the "what" and the
"how" question. You are an idolatrous Nation, with a hard neck. Return
Israel, before heaven has to force you. Don't you see the whole thing
lined up already ? Do you finally see it ? Nothing much was going on
around 2008 (it is now 6004 already, in the Jewish year, assuming 430
years in Egypt, as the Torah says !) ? Now, closer and closer we edge to
the full out nuclear war. Told you so. Anti-semitism rising sharply ?
Told you so. You thought you are safe in America, safe in the Zionist
rebel State ? Not so, told you so. Don't make it so, than when you
suffer 7 times worse than under the Nazis, that I am left with nothing
more than to say: told you so, many years in advance. You caused it on
yourself, because you refused to listen to your Torah and the truth
about it.
Today even, I walked in my city in the old Jewish street. There are
stones there, it seems mabe out of bronze or something, and they list
the names of deported Jews. There is barely a Jew left in this city,
even though you had two important streets in the center, and a great
Synagogue. All gone, and for what ? You have been there before. The
living memory of it is just fading. Did you learn nothing ? You said
"never again", but you did not return to your Torah. Why ? You force
heaven to conduct another "yes again", because of it. You dance with
your Torah, you say it is great, and then you ignore it, and you are
rude if someone point it out. Imagine you thanked me for it, and in a
few years, all the Rabbis had cleaned up their act. Jubilee active in
Eretz Yisrael, the whole world falls on their face, non stop you are the
topic in much of the world. The Jews done it ! Now we understand !
Next time there is a Revolution needed in some Nation, delegates come to
Yerushalayim: how do you do this, why did you do that, how can you help
us learn and do what you have accomplished ? They be begging you,
honoring you, because you will be able to help them live & become a
happy people, like you should be.
But no, nothing: hard neck, idolatrous, bogged down in their schisms,
hatred rising all over the world, and they all know so well what is
right and wrong - without bothering to engage an argument of course,
they "know" they Rabbi is right pffff. Well Israel, you go try out what
you are doing, and heaven will do the sorting, but you have been warned
to correct yourself and stop lying LYING about the Torah. Does that
offend you ? Good, then you know how bad it is what you have done, and
how shameless you where for supporting the Shulchan Aruch, Rambam,
Hillel, the Mishne Torah, these lying books which you think are great.
You even said this, I can't believe how mindless it is, but: if it
stands and continues in time, it must be true. How absurd. How old is
the Hindu religion by now ? Wasn't Egypt there before you ? How long are
the western idolators going on with their thing, thousands of years
already. In any case, if that is your argument: I also can go on here,
for many many years already, and nobody stops me. Heaven doesn't stop
me, on the contrary. I don't even have to work, I have everything for
free, always. Last week I bought a new watch, a 350,- automatic. I'm
looking at 2 computers here, and I have a quite roomy appartment, and a
vegetable garden nearby. All day long I can rave and rant against
Rambam, I have more time probably than Rambam himself (who was also a
doctor wasn't he, repairing some big honcho in Egypt ?). Your Torah
especially, it never changed, it never ended up containing the lies you
are spreading about it. It's still there, you just chose to ignore it
for now. Why did Moshe Rabbeinu write in stone ? I think it is obvious:
because that is very long lasting, potentially forever. Stone really
doesn't have to change at all, it could literally last a million years.
Also, very hard to change the letters on those stones, if the priests
become corrupt. They would have to probably hack out new stones with
lies, and replace them with the old, since working within the Temple is
likely too noisy.
Your lies also lasted a long time now, but look: you suffered a lot in
the exile, it wasn't a good time. You where basically burning the whole
time. This isn't even an argument. Craziness on Earth can last very
long, even longer than my endless ranting. I better stop this, before it
gets deleted for length (it might be deleted for length). I'm sorry.
sigh.
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