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Persecution of Christians in Israel
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Ole Irish
2007-10-26 06:29:44 UTC
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What happened to Israel's *democratic* processes?

How to Pray for the Persecuted Believers of Israel
This article sent to us by Lura Maiman Beckford, a believer in Arad, Israel
conveys the hard position of those believers under the constant strain of
persecution and harassment. Lura, and others in the believing community in
the southern Negev Desert region, have been the targets of daily religious
persecution for over two years without significant intervention of the
authorities. While it may be difficult to understand how this could happen
in Israel, please know that the community of our faith in Israel needs under
girding and uplifting prayer support.� Let us not be remiss, forgetting when
we pray for Israel, to pray for these who are called by the name of the
Lord.�
The Foreign Ministry says what!?�

by Lura Maiman Beckford
The Israeli Foreign Ministry is sending out response letters stating that
the Christians in Arad are bringing persecution upon themselves because they
are �perceived� as proselytizing.
Just suppose for a moment that this is true � think about it.
Is there freedom of religion in Israel or not? Are Christians free to give
out books and/or put them in a store where others can get them? Are
Christians free to worship in their houses? Are they free to own businesses
and operate them without fear of retribution? Are they free to live in peace
in their houses without intimidation?
Compare those questions with the reality of life in Arad and other cities in
Israel. Look at some actual events (there are many more):
• A Christian taxi driver is harassed at his taxi stand. The Haredim
(ultra-Orthodox) scream at would-be passengers, �This man is a Christian �
don�t ride in his taxi!� They also scream some very blasphemous things about
Jesus.
• The Congregation meets on Saturdays and the parishioners need to go
through a gauntlet of curses from 40 or more Haredim (ultra-Orthodox)
standing in front of the entrance. All through the service, screams, chants
and curses can be heard from outside.
• A mother and her 5-year old child are stalked by Haredim (ultra-Orthodox)
men as she takes her child to kindergarten. At times she must duck into an
entrance way to get away from the abuse. Her child prays at night asking God
to make the bad men go away.
• Another mother of four has to look for her little child at night because
the Haredim (ultra-Orthodox) scared him away from his own front door and he
was afraid to go home.
• At the local chess club, (operated by two Christians) the retired men at
the club are harassed and hassled by young Haredim (ultra-Orthodox) thugs
and told not to go there � it is a Christian place. The place is regularly
picketed and the Haredim harass the poor people who come there to pick up
used clothing.
• Christian�s pictures and addresses are hung up around the neighborhood and
in the local Yeshiva (boy�s religious school) warning people that we are
dangerous and to stay away from us.
• A new immigrant (Jewish believer) was expelled from Hebrew class because
the Haredim (ultra-Orthodox) warned the teacher that he is a Christian.
• A Jewish believer was thrown out of his home because the Haredim put
pressure on the landlord.
• A widow with 3 boys and several foster children (from Christian families)
is regularly picketed by hundreds of Haredim (ultra-Orthodox) and accused of
stealing the children from Jewish families.
• The Haredim have made false charge (LIES) against the believers, which
have been accepted as facts by the police, and as a result, the believers
must hire lawyers to defend themselves.
• We have been accused of kidnapping children, being worse than the
Palestinians and Nazis, converting Jews, (No one can do that except God),
stealing souls (How do you do that?)
• We have been told that we are animals without souls (Talmud teaches that)
and threatened with being carried out of Arad in coffins, or shot, or dozens
of other threats.
• When we go on a trip (secular Jews and Christians) the Haredim
(ultra-Orthodox) riot and try to prevent buses from leaving. People have
gotten hurt.
• When we feed the hungry, the Haredim (ultra-Orthodox) surround us, curse
us and push against the tables, and generally act like criminals.
• When we sit at outdoor cafes, the Haredim (ultra-Orthodox) surround us and
tell lies to passers-by about us.
• They vandalize our property � they attack our people � they burned our
chess club (the only visible reminder that there are Christians in Arad and
the only place to get a Bible in Arad.)
• They stormed into a congregation in Beersheva during the service and
wrecked the place and threw the pastor into the baptismal and they did about
$2000. worth of damage.
• Some believers have lost their jobs because of the pressure exerted by the
Haredim (ultra-Orthodox) on the employers.
• They play dirty � there are a lot of other things they are involved in but
I think you get the picture.
• The police are refusing to take our calls � they are also afraid of the
Haredim.
Let it be known far and wide that the Haredim (ultra-Orthodox) object to the
fact that we are alive! That is our crime. Most of us were minding our own
business but the Haredim are seeking out Christians and harassing them. Why?
Because their own manmade religion is so corrupt and bereft of any spiritual
value, the only way for the Rabbi to hold on to his people is to give them a
purpose for existence and a scapegoat to persecute. The sad thing is that
the government and most of the people here have a love-hate relationship
with the Haredim. They believe that the Haredim (ultra-Orthodox) are the
guardians of the �Jewish state�. Therefore, even though they don�t want to
be like them, they think they have to protect them and allow them to do
whatever they want.
If there were religious freedom in Israel, people would be allowed to
practice their own religion freely. Ideas would be allowed to proliferate
and be discussed openly. In a democracy, people are allowed to have freedom
of speech. However, the Haredim are afraid of ideas and freedom. They are no
different than the terrorists � they use violence to force their will on
others. IT IS WRONG! The Israeli Foreign Minister should know better than to
excuse the criminal behavior of the Haredim, but he is caught up in the trap
as well.
This will not end here � the Haredim have a list of people they want to get
rid of � the Christians are only the first on the list. Next are the
Bedouins, and then the Ethiopian Jews and the secular Jews.
This small, but powerful, group of Haredim (ultra-Orthodox) is funded by
donations from the West. Much of the money coming to fund the persecution is
given by well-meaning Christians in the USA and other western nations, and
is intended to help the poor. The donors think they are giving to charitable
organizations, but the money is used to build the power base of the Haredim
and pay to persecute believers. Be careful to whom you send your donations!
Be on the safe side � send them to believers!
In short, to blame the persecution of Christians on themselves is like
telling a victim that she was asking to be mugged. The mugger is at fault �
not the victim.
Of course, through all this negative publicity, the Lord has been drawing
people to Himself. Several people have become believers BECAUSE of the
persecution and the Christlike response of the Christians. History has shown
that persecution only makes a movement grow.� It is no different in Arad.
The Lord�s Will be done.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
whyreligionsuck
2007-10-26 13:54:20 UTC
Permalink
Do you realize there are thousands of anti jewish incidents in the us. You
know how often I was taunted by non jews growing up by ( now get this the
irish) in my neighborhood? In all my years I rarely saw jews conspire to
beat up or harrass anyone. I suppose though if you seek you will find and
when you live in a country with mostly jews your bound to find extremes who
will say whatever. This is not good behavior but its not reflective on the
jews as a whole. You should really be objective when making comparisons.
Jews are one of the most tolerant people on earth. The extent in which they
are under constant threat of being destroyed also has something to do with
it. When I was harrassed in the US I was never a threat to their extinction.
You should take everything under context.
Post by Ole Irish
What happened to Israel's *democratic* processes?
How to Pray for the Persecuted Believers of Israel
This article sent to us by Lura Maiman Beckford, a believer in Arad,
Israel conveys the hard position of those believers under the constant
strain of persecution and harassment. Lura, and others in the believing
community in the southern Negev Desert region, have been the targets of
daily religious persecution for over two years without significant
intervention of the authorities. While it may be difficult to understand
how this could happen in Israel, please know that the community of our
faith in Israel needs under girding and uplifting prayer support.? Let us
not be remiss, forgetting when we pray for Israel, to pray for these who
are called by the name of the Lord.?
The Foreign Ministry says what!??
by Lura Maiman Beckford
The Israeli Foreign Ministry is sending out response letters stating that
the Christians in Arad are bringing persecution upon themselves because
they are ?perceived? as proselytizing.
Just suppose for a moment that this is true ? think about it.
Is there freedom of religion in Israel or not? Are Christians free to give
out books and/or put them in a store where others can get them? Are
Christians free to worship in their houses? Are they free to own
businesses and operate them without fear of retribution? Are they free to
live in peace in their houses without intimidation?
Compare those questions with the reality of life in Arad and other cities
. A Christian taxi driver is harassed at his taxi stand. The Haredim
(ultra-Orthodox) scream at would-be passengers, ?This man is a Christian ?
don?t ride in his taxi!? They also scream some very blasphemous things
about Jesus.
. The Congregation meets on Saturdays and the parishioners need to go
through a gauntlet of curses from 40 or more Haredim (ultra-Orthodox)
standing in front of the entrance. All through the service, screams,
chants and curses can be heard from outside.
. A mother and her 5-year old child are stalked by Haredim
(ultra-Orthodox) men as she takes her child to kindergarten. At times she
must duck into an entrance way to get away from the abuse. Her child prays
at night asking God to make the bad men go away.
. Another mother of four has to look for her little child at night because
the Haredim (ultra-Orthodox) scared him away from his own front door and
he was afraid to go home.
. At the local chess club, (operated by two Christians) the retired men at
the club are harassed and hassled by young Haredim (ultra-Orthodox) thugs
and told not to go there ? it is a Christian place. The place is regularly
picketed and the Haredim harass the poor people who come there to pick up
used clothing.
. Christian?s pictures and addresses are hung up around the neighborhood
and in the local Yeshiva (boy?s religious school) warning people that we
are dangerous and to stay away from us.
. A new immigrant (Jewish believer) was expelled from Hebrew class because
the Haredim (ultra-Orthodox) warned the teacher that he is a Christian.
. A Jewish believer was thrown out of his home because the Haredim put
pressure on the landlord.
. A widow with 3 boys and several foster children (from Christian
families) is regularly picketed by hundreds of Haredim (ultra-Orthodox)
and accused of stealing the children from Jewish families.
. The Haredim have made false charge (LIES) against the believers, which
have been accepted as facts by the police, and as a result, the believers
must hire lawyers to defend themselves.
. We have been accused of kidnapping children, being worse than the
Palestinians and Nazis, converting Jews, (No one can do that except God),
stealing souls (How do you do that?)
. We have been told that we are animals without souls (Talmud teaches
that) and threatened with being carried out of Arad in coffins, or shot,
or dozens of other threats.
. When we go on a trip (secular Jews and Christians) the Haredim
(ultra-Orthodox) riot and try to prevent buses from leaving. People have
gotten hurt.
. When we feed the hungry, the Haredim (ultra-Orthodox) surround us, curse
us and push against the tables, and generally act like criminals.
. When we sit at outdoor cafes, the Haredim (ultra-Orthodox) surround us
and tell lies to passers-by about us.
. They vandalize our property ? they attack our people ? they burned our
chess club (the only visible reminder that there are Christians in Arad
and the only place to get a Bible in Arad.)
. They stormed into a congregation in Beersheva during the service and
wrecked the place and threw the pastor into the baptismal and they did
about $2000. worth of damage.
. Some believers have lost their jobs because of the pressure exerted by
the Haredim (ultra-Orthodox) on the employers.
. They play dirty ? there are a lot of other things they are involved in
but I think you get the picture.
. The police are refusing to take our calls ? they are also afraid of the
Haredim.
Let it be known far and wide that the Haredim (ultra-Orthodox) object to
the fact that we are alive! That is our crime. Most of us were minding our
own business but the Haredim are seeking out Christians and harassing
them. Why? Because their own manmade religion is so corrupt and bereft of
any spiritual value, the only way for the Rabbi to hold on to his people
is to give them a purpose for existence and a scapegoat to persecute. The
sad thing is that the government and most of the people here have a
love-hate relationship with the Haredim. They believe that the Haredim
(ultra-Orthodox) are the guardians of the ?Jewish state?. Therefore, even
though they don?t want to be like them, they think they have to protect
them and allow them to do whatever they want.
If there were religious freedom in Israel, people would be allowed to
practice their own religion freely. Ideas would be allowed to proliferate
and be discussed openly. In a democracy, people are allowed to have
freedom of speech. However, the Haredim are afraid of ideas and freedom.
They are no different than the terrorists ? they use violence to force
their will on others. IT IS WRONG! The Israeli Foreign Minister should
know better than to excuse the criminal behavior of the Haredim, but he is
caught up in the trap as well.
This will not end here ? the Haredim have a list of people they want to
get rid of ? the Christians are only the first on the list. Next are the
Bedouins, and then the Ethiopian Jews and the secular Jews.
This small, but powerful, group of Haredim (ultra-Orthodox) is funded by
donations from the West. Much of the money coming to fund the persecution
is given by well-meaning Christians in the USA and other western nations,
and is intended to help the poor. The donors think they are giving to
charitable organizations, but the money is used to build the power base of
the Haredim and pay to persecute believers. Be careful to whom you send
your donations! Be on the safe side ? send them to believers!
In short, to blame the persecution of Christians on themselves is like
telling a victim that she was asking to be mugged. The mugger is at fault
? not the victim.
Of course, through all this negative publicity, the Lord has been drawing
people to Himself. Several people have become believers BECAUSE of the
persecution and the Christlike response of the Christians. History has
shown that persecution only makes a movement grow.? It is no different in
Arad. The Lord?s Will be done.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
f***@verizon.net
2007-10-26 16:51:38 UTC
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Post by whyreligionsuck
Do you realize there are thousands of anti jewish incidents in the us. You
know how often I was taunted by non jews growing up by ( now get this the
irish) in my neighborhood? In all my years I rarely saw jews conspire to
beat up or harrass anyone. I suppose though if you seek you will find and
when you live in a country with mostly jews your bound to find extremes who
will say whatever. This is not good behavior but its not reflective on the
jews as a whole. You should really be objective when making comparisons.
Jews are one of the most tolerant people on earth. The extent in which they
are under constant threat of being destroyed also has something to do with
it. When I was harrassed in the US I was never a threat to their extinction.
You should take everything under context.
What he fails to realize is that not only does Israel have freedom of
religion,
but that this is why misisonizing IS frowned on. Israel beleves that
*everyone*
should be free to practice what s/he wants, and NOT be hounded by bigots
to change whatever religion they are.

What this person also refuses to grasp is that the "believers" are the
harassers & persecutors.

Susan
Post by whyreligionsuck
Post by Ole Irish
What happened to Israel's *democratic* processes?
How to Pray for the Persecuted Believers of Israel
This article sent to us by Lura Maiman Beckford, a believer in Arad,
Israel conveys the hard position of those believers under the constant
strain of persecution and harassment. Lura, and others in the believing
community in the southern Negev Desert region, have been the targets of
daily religious persecution for over two years without significant
intervention of the authorities. While it may be difficult to understand
how this could happen in Israel, please know that the community of our
faith in Israel needs under girding and uplifting prayer support.? Let us
not be remiss, forgetting when we pray for Israel, to pray for these who
are called by the name of the Lord.?
The Foreign Ministry says what!??
by Lura Maiman Beckford
The Israeli Foreign Ministry is sending out response letters stating that
the Christians in Arad are bringing persecution upon themselves because
they are ?perceived? as proselytizing.
Just suppose for a moment that this is true ? think about it.
Is there freedom of religion in Israel or not? Are Christians free to give
out books and/or put them in a store where others can get them? Are
Christians free to worship in their houses? Are they free to own
businesses and operate them without fear of retribution? Are they free to
live in peace in their houses without intimidation?
Compare those questions with the reality of life in Arad and other cities
. A Christian taxi driver is harassed at his taxi stand. The Haredim
(ultra-Orthodox) scream at would-be passengers, ?This man is a Christian ?
don?t ride in his taxi!? They also scream some very blasphemous things
about Jesus.
. The Congregation meets on Saturdays and the parishioners need to go
through a gauntlet of curses from 40 or more Haredim (ultra-Orthodox)
standing in front of the entrance. All through the service, screams,
chants and curses can be heard from outside.
. A mother and her 5-year old child are stalked by Haredim
(ultra-Orthodox) men as she takes her child to kindergarten. At times she
must duck into an entrance way to get away from the abuse. Her child prays
at night asking God to make the bad men go away.
. Another mother of four has to look for her little child at night because
the Haredim (ultra-Orthodox) scared him away from his own front door and
he was afraid to go home.
. At the local chess club, (operated by two Christians) the retired men at
the club are harassed and hassled by young Haredim (ultra-Orthodox) thugs
and told not to go there ? it is a Christian place. The place is regularly
picketed and the Haredim harass the poor people who come there to pick up
used clothing.
. Christian?s pictures and addresses are hung up around the neighborhood
and in the local Yeshiva (boy?s religious school) warning people that we
are dangerous and to stay away from us.
. A new immigrant (Jewish believer) was expelled from Hebrew class because
the Haredim (ultra-Orthodox) warned the teacher that he is a Christian.
. A Jewish believer was thrown out of his home because the Haredim put
pressure on the landlord.
. A widow with 3 boys and several foster children (from Christian
families) is regularly picketed by hundreds of Haredim (ultra-Orthodox)
and accused of stealing the children from Jewish families.
. The Haredim have made false charge (LIES) against the believers, which
have been accepted as facts by the police, and as a result, the believers
must hire lawyers to defend themselves.
. We have been accused of kidnapping children, being worse than the
Palestinians and Nazis, converting Jews, (No one can do that except God),
stealing souls (How do you do that?)
. We have been told that we are animals without souls (Talmud teaches
that) and threatened with being carried out of Arad in coffins, or shot,
or dozens of other threats.
. When we go on a trip (secular Jews and Christians) the Haredim
(ultra-Orthodox) riot and try to prevent buses from leaving. People have
gotten hurt.
. When we feed the hungry, the Haredim (ultra-Orthodox) surround us, curse
us and push against the tables, and generally act like criminals.
. When we sit at outdoor cafes, the Haredim (ultra-Orthodox) surround us
and tell lies to passers-by about us.
. They vandalize our property ? they attack our people ? they burned our
chess club (the only visible reminder that there are Christians in Arad
and the only place to get a Bible in Arad.)
. They stormed into a congregation in Beersheva during the service and
wrecked the place and threw the pastor into the baptismal and they did
about $2000. worth of damage.
. Some believers have lost their jobs because of the pressure exerted by
the Haredim (ultra-Orthodox) on the employers.
. They play dirty ? there are a lot of other things they are involved in
but I think you get the picture.
. The police are refusing to take our calls ? they are also afraid of the
Haredim.
Let it be known far and wide that the Haredim (ultra-Orthodox) object to
the fact that we are alive! That is our crime. Most of us were minding our
own business but the Haredim are seeking out Christians and harassing
them. Why? Because their own manmade religion is so corrupt and bereft of
any spiritual value, the only way for the Rabbi to hold on to his people
is to give them a purpose for existence and a scapegoat to persecute. The
sad thing is that the government and most of the people here have a
love-hate relationship with the Haredim. They believe that the Haredim
(ultra-Orthodox) are the guardians of the ?Jewish state?. Therefore, even
though they don?t want to be like them, they think they have to protect
them and allow them to do whatever they want.
If there were religious freedom in Israel, people would be allowed to
practice their own religion freely. Ideas would be allowed to proliferate
and be discussed openly. In a democracy, people are allowed to have
freedom of speech. However, the Haredim are afraid of ideas and freedom.
They are no different than the terrorists ? they use violence to force
their will on others. IT IS WRONG! The Israeli Foreign Minister should
know better than to excuse the criminal behavior of the Haredim, but he is
caught up in the trap as well.
This will not end here ? the Haredim have a list of people they want to
get rid of ? the Christians are only the first on the list. Next are the
Bedouins, and then the Ethiopian Jews and the secular Jews.
This small, but powerful, group of Haredim (ultra-Orthodox) is funded by
donations from the West. Much of the money coming to fund the persecution
is given by well-meaning Christians in the USA and other western nations,
and is intended to help the poor. The donors think they are giving to
charitable organizations, but the money is used to build the power base of
the Haredim and pay to persecute believers. Be careful to whom you send
your donations! Be on the safe side ? send them to believers!
In short, to blame the persecution of Christians on themselves is like
telling a victim that she was asking to be mugged. The mugger is at fault
? not the victim.
Of course, through all this negative publicity, the Lord has been drawing
people to Himself. Several people have become believers BECAUSE of the
persecution and the Christlike response of the Christians. History has
shown that persecution only makes a movement grow.? It is no different in
Arad. The Lord?s Will be done.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
Avenger
2007-10-27 10:40:59 UTC
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Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by whyreligionsuck
Do you realize there are thousands of anti jewish incidents in the us. You
know how often I was taunted by non jews growing up by ( now get this the
irish) in my neighborhood?
What was it, mick on mick crime? lol

In all my years I rarely saw jews conspire to
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by whyreligionsuck
beat up or harrass anyone.
Go to Brooklyn where the Hasidics are. They beat up poor Negroes all the
time.



I suppose though if you seek you will find and
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by whyreligionsuck
when you live in a country with mostly jews your bound to find extremes who
will say whatever. This is not good behavior but its not reflective on the
jews as a whole.
Actually, it's typical of jews where they are found in any numbers.



You should really be objective when making comparisons.
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by whyreligionsuck
Jews are one of the most tolerant people on earth.
hahahahaahahahahahahahahahhaah



The extent in which
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by whyreligionsuck
they
are under constant threat of being destroyed also has something to do with
it. When I was harrassed in the US I was never a threat to their extinction.
Micks are dumb especially the shanty irish American variety.
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by whyreligionsuck
You should take everything under context.
What he fails to realize is that not only does Israel have freedom of
religion,
but that this is why misisonizing IS frowned on. Israel beleves that
*everyone*
should be free to practice what s/he wants, and NOT be hounded by bigots
to change whatever religion they are.
Erm, these christian types hound other christians too into believing their
form of Christianity but you don't see Christians bitching like the yids.
Post by f***@verizon.net
What this person also refuses to grasp is that the "believers" are the
harassers & persecutors.
They are just exercising their right of free speech, something jews should
learn about.
Post by f***@verizon.net
Susan
Post by whyreligionsuck
Post by Ole Irish
What happened to Israel's *democratic* processes?
How to Pray for the Persecuted Believers of Israel
This article sent to us by Lura Maiman Beckford, a believer in Arad,
Israel conveys the hard position of those believers under the constant
strain of persecution and harassment. Lura, and others in the believing
community in the southern Negev Desert region, have been the targets of
daily religious persecution for over two years without significant
intervention of the authorities. While it may be difficult to understand
how this could happen in Israel, please know that the community of our
faith in Israel needs under girding and uplifting prayer support.? Let us
not be remiss, forgetting when we pray for Israel, to pray for these who
are called by the name of the Lord.?
The Foreign Ministry says what!??
by Lura Maiman Beckford
The Israeli Foreign Ministry is sending out response letters stating that
the Christians in Arad are bringing persecution upon themselves because
they are ?perceived? as proselytizing.
Just suppose for a moment that this is true ? think about it.
Is there freedom of religion in Israel or not? Are Christians free to give
out books and/or put them in a store where others can get them? Are
Christians free to worship in their houses? Are they free to own
businesses and operate them without fear of retribution? Are they free to
live in peace in their houses without intimidation?
Compare those questions with the reality of life in Arad and other cities
. A Christian taxi driver is harassed at his taxi stand. The Haredim
(ultra-Orthodox) scream at would-be passengers, ?This man is a
Christian
?
don?t ride in his taxi!? They also scream some very blasphemous things
about Jesus.
. The Congregation meets on Saturdays and the parishioners need to go
through a gauntlet of curses from 40 or more Haredim (ultra-Orthodox)
standing in front of the entrance. All through the service, screams,
chants and curses can be heard from outside.
. A mother and her 5-year old child are stalked by Haredim
(ultra-Orthodox) men as she takes her child to kindergarten. At times she
must duck into an entrance way to get away from the abuse. Her child prays
at night asking God to make the bad men go away.
. Another mother of four has to look for her little child at night because
the Haredim (ultra-Orthodox) scared him away from his own front door and
he was afraid to go home.
. At the local chess club, (operated by two Christians) the retired men at
the club are harassed and hassled by young Haredim (ultra-Orthodox) thugs
and told not to go there ? it is a Christian place. The place is regularly
picketed and the Haredim harass the poor people who come there to pick up
used clothing.
. Christian?s pictures and addresses are hung up around the
neighborhood
and in the local Yeshiva (boy?s religious school) warning people that we
are dangerous and to stay away from us.
. A new immigrant (Jewish believer) was expelled from Hebrew class because
the Haredim (ultra-Orthodox) warned the teacher that he is a Christian.
. A Jewish believer was thrown out of his home because the Haredim put
pressure on the landlord.
. A widow with 3 boys and several foster children (from Christian
families) is regularly picketed by hundreds of Haredim (ultra-Orthodox)
and accused of stealing the children from Jewish families.
. The Haredim have made false charge (LIES) against the believers, which
have been accepted as facts by the police, and as a result, the believers
must hire lawyers to defend themselves.
. We have been accused of kidnapping children, being worse than the
Palestinians and Nazis, converting Jews, (No one can do that except God),
stealing souls (How do you do that?)
. We have been told that we are animals without souls (Talmud teaches
that) and threatened with being carried out of Arad in coffins, or shot,
or dozens of other threats.
. When we go on a trip (secular Jews and Christians) the Haredim
(ultra-Orthodox) riot and try to prevent buses from leaving. People have
gotten hurt.
. When we feed the hungry, the Haredim (ultra-Orthodox) surround us, curse
us and push against the tables, and generally act like criminals.
. When we sit at outdoor cafes, the Haredim (ultra-Orthodox) surround us
and tell lies to passers-by about us.
. They vandalize our property ? they attack our people ? they burned our
chess club (the only visible reminder that there are Christians in Arad
and the only place to get a Bible in Arad.)
. They stormed into a congregation in Beersheva during the service and
wrecked the place and threw the pastor into the baptismal and they did
about $2000. worth of damage.
. Some believers have lost their jobs because of the pressure exerted by
the Haredim (ultra-Orthodox) on the employers.
. They play dirty ? there are a lot of other things they are involved in
but I think you get the picture.
. The police are refusing to take our calls ? they are also afraid of the
Haredim.
Let it be known far and wide that the Haredim (ultra-Orthodox) object to
the fact that we are alive! That is our crime. Most of us were minding our
own business but the Haredim are seeking out Christians and harassing
them. Why? Because their own manmade religion is so corrupt and bereft of
any spiritual value, the only way for the Rabbi to hold on to his people
is to give them a purpose for existence and a scapegoat to persecute. The
sad thing is that the government and most of the people here have a
love-hate relationship with the Haredim. They believe that the Haredim
(ultra-Orthodox) are the guardians of the ?Jewish state?. Therefore, even
though they don?t want to be like them, they think they have to protect
them and allow them to do whatever they want.
If there were religious freedom in Israel, people would be allowed to
practice their own religion freely. Ideas would be allowed to proliferate
and be discussed openly. In a democracy, people are allowed to have
freedom of speech. However, the Haredim are afraid of ideas and freedom.
They are no different than the terrorists ? they use violence to force
their will on others. IT IS WRONG! The Israeli Foreign Minister should
know better than to excuse the criminal behavior of the Haredim, but he is
caught up in the trap as well.
This will not end here ? the Haredim have a list of people they want to
get rid of ? the Christians are only the first on the list. Next are the
Bedouins, and then the Ethiopian Jews and the secular Jews.
This small, but powerful, group of Haredim (ultra-Orthodox) is funded by
donations from the West. Much of the money coming to fund the persecution
is given by well-meaning Christians in the USA and other western nations,
and is intended to help the poor. The donors think they are giving to
charitable organizations, but the money is used to build the power base of
the Haredim and pay to persecute believers. Be careful to whom you send
your donations! Be on the safe side ? send them to believers!
In short, to blame the persecution of Christians on themselves is like
telling a victim that she was asking to be mugged. The mugger is at fault
? not the victim.
Of course, through all this negative publicity, the Lord has been drawing
people to Himself. Several people have become believers BECAUSE of the
persecution and the Christlike response of the Christians. History has
shown that persecution only makes a movement grow.? It is no different in
Arad. The Lord?s Will be done.
--
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jgarbuz
2007-10-27 17:06:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by Avenger
Post by whyreligionsuck
Do you realize there are thousands of anti jewish incidents in the us. You
know how often I was taunted by non jews growing up by ( now get this the
irish) in my neighborhood?
What was it, mick on mick crime? lol
In all my years I rarely saw jews conspire to
Post by whyreligionsuck
beat up or harrass anyone.
Go to Brooklyn where the Hasidics are. They beat up poor Negroes all the
time.<
Fuck you! While I don't care much for the Hassidim, I admire that they stood
their ground against the Black criminals in Crown Heights, which is more
than I can say for most of the Jews who skipped out of Brownsville in the
1950s, leaving me behind to grow up in the housing projects! Just the other
day I nearly came to blows with a black guy spouting all the usual bullshit.
Black antisemitism was/is every bit as virulent as white antisemitism. When
it comes to Jews, everyone is united for robbing and pushing them around.
However, there are a few who defend Jews, like Condoleeza Rice, because she
knows that it was mainly Jews who gave their lives in the civil rights
struggle that she grew up in. She is one of a handful of blacks who remember
and have some degree of gratefulness for the Jewish blood that fell for
Black feedom in America.
--
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NefeshBarYochai
2007-10-29 00:15:58 UTC
Permalink
Post by jgarbuz
Post by Avenger
Post by whyreligionsuck
Do you realize there are thousands of anti jewish incidents in the us. You
know how often I was taunted by non jews growing up by ( now get this
the
Post by Avenger
Post by whyreligionsuck
irish) in my neighborhood?
What was it, mick on mick crime? lol
In all my years I rarely saw jews conspire to
Post by whyreligionsuck
beat up or harrass anyone.
Go to Brooklyn where the Hasidics are. They beat up poor Negroes all the
time.<
Fuck you! While I don't care much for the Hassidim, I admire that they stood
their ground against the Black criminals in Crown Heights, which is more
than I can say for most of the Jews who skipped out of Brownsville in the
1950s, leaving me behind to grow up in the housing projects! Just the other
day I nearly came to blows with a black guy spouting all the usual bullshit.
Black antisemitism was/is every bit as virulent as white antisemitism. When
it comes to Jews, everyone is united for robbing and pushing them around.
However, there are a few who defend Jews, like Condoleeza Rice, because she
knows that it was mainly Jews who gave their lives in the civil rights
struggle that she grew up in. She is one of a handful of blacks who remember
and have some degree of gratefulness for the Jewish blood that fell for
Black feedom in America.
--
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f***@verizon.net
2007-10-29 05:08:32 UTC
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On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 00:15:58 -0000, NefeshBarYochai
Post by jgarbuz
Post by Avenger
Post by whyreligionsuck
Do you realize there are thousands of anti jewish incidents in the us. You
know how often I was taunted by non jews growing up by ( now get this
the
Post by Avenger
Post by whyreligionsuck
irish) in my neighborhood?
What was it, mick on mick crime? lol
In all my years I rarely saw jews conspire to
Post by whyreligionsuck
beat up or harrass anyone.
Go to Brooklyn where the Hasidics are. They beat up poor Negroes all the
time.<
Fuck you! While I don't care much for the Hassidim, I admire that they stood
their ground against the Black criminals in Crown Heights, which is more
than I can say for most of the Jews who skipped out of Brownsville in the
1950s, leaving me behind to grow up in the housing projects! Just the other
day I nearly came to blows with a black guy spouting all the usual bullshit.
Black antisemitism was/is every bit as virulent as white antisemitism. When
it comes to Jews, everyone is united for robbing and pushing them around.
However, there are a few who defend Jews, like Condoleeza Rice, because she
knows that it was mainly Jews who gave their lives in the civil rights
struggle that she grew up in. She is one of a handful of blacks who remember
and have some degree of gratefulness for the Jewish blood that fell for
Black feedom in America.
I don;t know why the schvartzes hate us so much. After all we;ve
done for them!

Susan
Tilly
2007-10-28 23:34:15 UTC
Permalink
***@verizon.net wrote:


<clipped>

:: What he fails to realize is that not only does Israel have freedom of
:: religion,
:: but that this is why misisonizing IS frowned on. Israel beleves that
:: *everyone*
:: should be free to practice what s/he wants, and NOT be hounded by
:: bigots to change whatever religion they are.
::
:: What this person also refuses to grasp is that the "believers" are
:: the harassers & persecutors.
::
:: Susan
::

Correct. It is against the law for anyone to prosyletize in Israel not just
Christians.
It allows people to practise their religion freely without being hounded by
people who wish to convert them to another religion.
].Jews don't prosyletise to people of other religions so why do Christians
consider it their right to prosyletise to Jews or people of other religions
in Israel which is a Jewish State.It is the law and when in Israel they
should abide by it.
Haredim don't represent the majority of Israelis (far from it) and their
harrassment of Christians is wrong.Most Israelis don't approve of it.
NefeshBarYochai
2007-10-29 00:19:49 UTC
Permalink
Post by Tilly
<clipped>
:: What he fails to realize is that not only does Israel have freedom of
:: religion,
:: but that this is why misisonizing IS frowned on. Israel beleves that
:: *everyone*
:: should be free to practice what s/he wants, and NOT be hounded by
:: bigots to change whatever religion they are.
:: What this person also refuses to grasp is that the "believers" are
:: the harassers & persecutors.
:: Susan
Correct. It is against the law for anyone to prosyletize in Israel not just
Christians.
It allows people to practise their religion freely without being hounded by
people who wish to convert them to another religion.
].Jews don't prosyletise to people of other religions so why do Christians
consider it their right to prosyletise to Jews or people of other religions
in Israel which is a Jewish State.It is the law and when in Israel they
should abide by it.
Haredim don't represent the majority of Israelis (far from it) and their
harrassment of Christians is wrong.Most Israelis don't approve of it.
How do you know what most Israelis approve or disapprove of. You may
think you are G-d and know it all, but in truth you are a Tilly and
Tilly's can be silly. If that stud that is living with you is an
Israeli have him do his duty and service you because you're writing
out of you ass again.
Ole Irish
2007-10-29 07:35:50 UTC
Permalink
Post by Tilly
<clipped>
:: What he fails to realize is that not only does Israel have freedom of
:: religion,
:: but that this is why misisonizing IS frowned on. Israel beleves that
:: *everyone*
:: should be free to practice what s/he wants, and NOT be hounded by
:: bigots to change whatever religion they are.
:: What this person also refuses to grasp is that the "believers" are
:: the harassers & persecutors.
:: Susan
Correct. It is against the law for anyone to prosyletize in Israel not
just Christians.
It allows people to practise their religion freely without being hounded
by people who wish to convert them to another religion.
].Jews don't prosyletise to people of other religions so why do Christians
consider it their right to prosyletise to Jews or people of other
religions in Israel which is a Jewish State.It is the law and when in
Israel they should abide by it.
Haredim don't represent the majority of Israelis (far from it) and their
harrassment of Christians is wrong.Most Israelis don't approve of it.
None of the above is a meaningful response to the original post, which you
have snipped, which showed evidence of the Jews persecuting Christians in
Israel.

You lot really do have a very bad habit of leaving the difficult questions
alone and moving the topic into a different direction.

Very deceitful of you.
--
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jgarbuz
2007-10-30 15:25:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ole Irish
Post by Tilly
<clipped>
:: What he fails to realize is that not only does Israel have freedom of
:: religion,
:: but that this is why misisonizing IS frowned on. Israel beleves that
:: *everyone*
:: should be free to practice what s/he wants, and NOT be hounded by
:: bigots to change whatever religion they are.
:: What this person also refuses to grasp is that the "believers" are
:: the harassers & persecutors.
:: Susan
Correct. It is against the law for anyone to prosyletize in Israel not
just Christians.
It allows people to practise their religion freely without being hounded
by people who wish to convert them to another religion.
].Jews don't prosyletise to people of other religions so why do Christians
consider it their right to prosyletise to Jews or people of other
religions in Israel which is a Jewish State.It is the law and when in
Israel they should abide by it.
Haredim don't represent the majority of Israelis (far from it) and their
harrassment of Christians is wrong.Most Israelis don't approve of it.
None of the above is a meaningful response to the original post, which you
have snipped, which showed evidence of the Jews persecuting Christians in
Israel.
You lot really do have a very bad habit of leaving the difficult questions
alone and moving the topic into a different direction.
Very deceitful of you.<
Is that why my former missionary friends living in Israel have chosen
to stay there, and raise five children there, and wouldn't come back
to the US if you paid them?
NefeshBarYochai
2007-10-29 00:09:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ole Irish
What happened to Israel's *democratic* processes?
How to Pray for the Persecuted Believers of Israel
This article sent to us by Lura Maiman Beckford, a believer in Arad, Israel
conveys the hard position of those believers under the constant strain of
persecution and harassment. Lura, and others in the believing community in
the southern Negev Desert region, have been the targets of daily religious
persecution for over two years without significant intervention of the
authorities. While it may be difficult to understand how this could happen
in Israel, please know that the community of our faith in Israel needs under
girding and uplifting prayer support.? Let us not be remiss, forgetting when
we pray for Israel, to pray for these who are called by the name of the
Lord.?
The Foreign Ministry says what!??
by Lura Maiman Beckford
The Israeli Foreign Ministry is sending out response letters stating that
the Christians in Arad are bringing persecution upon themselves because they
are ?perceived? as proselytizing.
Just suppose for a moment that this is true ? think about it.
Is there freedom of religion in Israel or not? Are Christians free to give
out books and/or put them in a store where others can get them? Are
Christians free to worship in their houses? Are they free to own businesses
and operate them without fear of retribution? Are they free to live in peace
in their houses without intimidation?
Compare those questions with the reality of life in Arad and other cities in
· A Christian taxi driver is harassed at his taxi stand. The Haredim
(ultra-Orthodox) scream at would-be passengers, ?This man is a Christian ?
don?t ride in his taxi!? They also scream some very blasphemous things about
Jesus.
· The Congregation meets on Saturdays and the parishioners need to go
through a gauntlet of curses from 40 or more Haredim (ultra-Orthodox)
standing in front of the entrance. All through the service, screams, chants
and curses can be heard from outside.
· A mother and her 5-year old child are stalked by Haredim (ultra-Orthodox)
men as she takes her child to kindergarten. At times she must duck into an
entrance way to get away from the abuse. Her child prays at night asking God
to make the bad men go away.
· Another mother of four has to look for her little child at night because
the Haredim (ultra-Orthodox) scared him away from his own front door and he
was afraid to go home.
· At the local chess club, (operated by two Christians) the retired men at
the club are harassed and hassled by young Haredim (ultra-Orthodox) thugs
and told not to go there ? it is a Christian place. The place is regularly
picketed and the Haredim harass the poor people who come there to pick up
used clothing.
· Christian?s pictures and addresses are hung up around the neighborhood and
in the local Yeshiva (boy?s religious school) warning people that we are
dangerous and to stay away from us.
· A new immigrant (Jewish believer) was expelled from Hebrew class because
the Haredim (ultra-Orthodox) warned the teacher that he is a Christian.
· A Jewish believer was thrown out of his home because the Haredim put
pressure on the landlord.
· A widow with 3 boys and several foster children (from Christian families)
is regularly picketed by hundreds of Haredim (ultra-Orthodox) and accused of
stealing the children from Jewish families.
· The Haredim have made false charge (LIES) against the believers, which
have been accepted as facts by the police, and as a result, the believers
must hire lawyers to defend themselves.
· We have been accused of kidnapping children, being worse than the
Palestinians and Nazis, converting Jews, (No one can do that except God),
stealing souls (How do you do that?)
· We have been told that we are animals without souls (Talmud teaches that)
and threatened with being carried out of Arad in coffins, or shot, or dozens
of other threats.
· When we go on a trip (secular Jews and Christians) the Haredim
(ultra-Orthodox) riot and try to prevent buses from leaving. People have
gotten hurt.
· When we feed the hungry, the Haredim (ultra-Orthodox) surround us, curse
us and push against the tables, and generally act like criminals.
· When we sit at outdoor cafes, the Haredim (ultra-Orthodox) surround us and
tell lies to passers-by about us.
· They vandalize our property ? they attack our people ? they burned our
chess club (the only visible reminder that there are Christians in Arad and
the only place to get a Bible in Arad.)
· They stormed into a congregation in Beersheva during the service and
wrecked the place and threw the pastor into the baptismal and they did about
$2000. worth of damage.
· Some believers have lost their jobs because of the pressure exerted by the
Haredim (ultra-Orthodox) on the employers.
· They play dirty ? there are a lot of other things they are involved in but
I think you get the picture.
· The police are refusing to take our calls ? they are also afraid of the
Haredim.
Let it be known far and wide that the Haredim (ultra-Orthodox) object to the
fact that we are alive! That is our crime. Most of us were minding our own
business but the Haredim are seeking out Christians and harassing them. Why?
Because their own manmade religion is so corrupt and bereft of any spiritual
value, the only way for the Rabbi to hold on to his people is to give them a
purpose for existence and a scapegoat to persecute. The sad thing is that
the government and most of the people here have a love-hate relationship
with the Haredim. They believe that the Haredim (ultra-Orthodox) are the
guardians of the ?Jewish state?. Therefore, even though they don?t want to
be like them, they think they have to protect them and allow them to do
whatever they want.
If there were religious freedom in Israel, people would be allowed to
practice their own religion freely. Ideas would be allowed to proliferate
and be discussed openly. In a democracy, people are allowed to have freedom
of speech. However, the Haredim are afraid of ideas and freedom. They are no
different than the terrorists ? they use violence to force their will on
others. IT IS WRONG! The Israeli Foreign Minister should know better than to
excuse the criminal behavior of the Haredim, but he is caught up in the trap
as well.
This will not end here ? the Haredim have a list of people they want to get
rid of ? the Christians are only the first on the list. Next are the
Bedouins, and then the Ethiopian Jews and the secular Jews.
This small, but powerful, group of Haredim (ultra-Orthodox) is funded by
donations from the West. Much of the money coming to fund the persecution is
given by well-meaning Christians in the USA and other western nations, and
is intended to help the poor. The donors think they are giving to charitable
organizations, but the money is used to build the power base of the Haredim
and pay to persecute believers. Be careful to whom you send your donations!
Be on the safe side ? send them to believers!
In short, to blame the persecution of Christians on themselves is like
telling a victim that she was asking to be mugged. The mugger is at fault ?
not the victim.
Of course, through all this negative publicity, the Lord has been drawing
people to Himself. Several people have become believers BECAUSE of the
persecution and the Christlike response of the Christians. History has shown
that persecution only makes a movement grow.? It is no different in Arad.
The Lord?s Will be done.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com
Well since Israel is a Jewish nation, built by Jews, sustained by
Jews, promised to the Jews by God, and governed by Jews then if you're
not Jewish and don't like it there leave. Come to the USA. Here in
the USA Jews are persecuted by Christians especially those that end up
incarcerated so I don't feel sorry for those people you write about.
If a person is not Jewish then he or she should not settle on Eretz
Israel unless they plan on leading the Jewish way of life. Israel is
the homeland for the Jews. It's not a melting pot for non-Jews as is
the USA.
Aviroce
2007-10-30 15:52:44 UTC
Permalink
In Jerusalem, Jews spit on Christians. In fact, an Armenian bishop
filed a law suit in Israel Supreme Court requesting the court,"Jews
should stop spitting on Christians."

By the way, both acts in Jerusalem and Arad (arad, means Land in Arab;
I don't know what Jews corrupted the word to mean) are operational,
not just theoretical as the same are advocated in the Talmud.
Punishment therefore should be swift. But when you are dealing with a
society built on Apartheid and the basis of Apartheid is Religious
Fanaticism as it is the rewarding philosophy it will manifest itself
with religious hate and dogma to eliminate other beliefs and
ideologies. Mind you most of these Jews are not religious and most
were child-molested.
Post by Ole Irish
What happened to Israel's *democratic* processes?
How to Pray for the Persecuted Believers of Israel
This article sent to us by Lura Maiman Beckford, a believer in Arad, Israel
conveys the hard position of those believers under the constant strain of
persecution and harassment. Lura, and others in the believing community in
the southern Negev Desert region, have been the targets of daily religious
persecution for over two years without significant intervention of the
authorities. While it may be difficult to understand how this could happen
in Israel, please know that the community of our faith in Israel needs under
girding and uplifting prayer support.? Let us not be remiss, forgetting when
we pray for Israel, to pray for these who are called by the name of the
Lord.?
The Foreign Ministry says what!??
by Lura Maiman Beckford
The Israeli Foreign Ministry is sending out response letters stating that
the Christians in Arad are bringing persecution upon themselves because they
are ?perceived? as proselytizing.
Just suppose for a moment that this is true ? think about it.
Is there freedom of religion in Israel or not? Are Christians free to give
out books and/or put them in a store where others can get them? Are
Christians free to worship in their houses? Are they free to own businesses
and operate them without fear of retribution? Are they free to live in peace
in their houses without intimidation?
Compare those questions with the reality of life in Arad and other cities in
· A Christian taxi driver is harassed at his taxi stand. The Haredim
(ultra-Orthodox) scream at would-be passengers, ?This man is a Christian ?
don?t ride in his taxi!? They also scream some very blasphemous things about
Jesus.
· The Congregation meets on Saturdays and the parishioners need to go
through a gauntlet of curses from 40 or more Haredim (ultra-Orthodox)
standing in front of the entrance. All through the service, screams, chants
and curses can be heard from outside.
· A mother and her 5-year old child are stalked by Haredim (ultra-Orthodox)
men as she takes her child to kindergarten. At times she must duck into an
entrance way to get away from the abuse. Her child prays at night asking God
to make the bad men go away.
· Another mother of four has to look for her little child at night because
the Haredim (ultra-Orthodox) scared him away from his own front door and he
was afraid to go home.
· At the local chess club, (operated by two Christians) the retired men at
the club are harassed and hassled by young Haredim (ultra-Orthodox) thugs
and told not to go there ? it is a Christian place. The place is regularly
picketed and the Haredim harass the poor people who come there to pick up
used clothing.
· Christian?s pictures and addresses are hung up around the neighborhood and
in the local Yeshiva (boy?s religious school) warning people that we are
dangerous and to stay away from us.
· A new immigrant (Jewish believer) was expelled from Hebrew class because
the Haredim (ultra-Orthodox) warned the teacher that he is a Christian.
· A Jewish believer was thrown out of his home because the Haredim put
pressure on the landlord.
· A widow with 3 boys and several foster children (from Christian families)
is regularly picketed by hundreds of Haredim (ultra-Orthodox) and accused of
stealing the children from Jewish families.
· The Haredim have made false charge (LIES) against the believers, which
have been accepted as facts by the police, and as a result, the believers
must hire lawyers to defend themselves.
· We have been accused of kidnapping children, being worse than the
Palestinians and Nazis, converting Jews, (No one can do that except God),
stealing souls (How do you do that?)
· We have been told that we are animals without souls (Talmud teaches that)
and threatened with being carried out of Arad in coffins, or shot, or dozens
of other threats.
· When we go on a trip (secular Jews and Christians) the Haredim
(ultra-Orthodox) riot and try to prevent buses from leaving. People have
gotten hurt.
· When we feed the hungry, the Haredim (ultra-Orthodox) surround us, curse
us and push against the tables, and generally act like criminals.
· When we sit at outdoor cafes, the Haredim (ultra-Orthodox) surround us and
tell lies to passers-by about us.
· They vandalize our property ? they attack our people ? they burned our
chess club (the only visible reminder that there are Christians in Arad and
the only place to get a Bible in Arad.)
· They stormed into a congregation in Beersheva during the service and
wrecked the place and threw the pastor into the baptismal and they did about
$2000. worth of damage.
· Some believers have lost their jobs because of the pressure exerted by the
Haredim (ultra-Orthodox) on the employers.
· They play dirty ? there are a lot of other things they are involved in but
I think you get the picture.
· The police are refusing to take our calls ? they are also afraid of the
Haredim.
Let it be known far and wide that the Haredim (ultra-Orthodox) object to the
fact that we are alive! That is our crime. Most of us were minding our own
business but the Haredim are seeking out Christians and harassing them. Why?
Because their own manmade religion is so corrupt and bereft of any spiritual
value, the only way for the Rabbi to hold on to his people is to give them a
purpose for existence and a scapegoat to persecute. The sad thing is that
the government and most of the people here have a love-hate relationship
with the Haredim. They believe that the Haredim (ultra-Orthodox) are the
guardians of the ?Jewish state?. Therefore, even though they don?t want to
be like them, they think they have to protect them and allow them to do
whatever they want.
If there were religious freedom in Israel, people would be allowed to
practice their own religion freely. Ideas would be allowed to proliferate
and be discussed openly. In a democracy, people are allowed to have freedom
of speech. However, the Haredim are afraid of ideas and freedom. They are no
different than the terrorists ? they use violence to force their will on
others. IT IS WRONG! The Israeli Foreign Minister should know better than to
excuse the criminal behavior of the Haredim, but he is caught up in the trap
as well.
This will not end here ? the Haredim have a list of people they want to get
rid of ? the Christians are only the first on the list. Next are the
Bedouins, and then the Ethiopian Jews and the secular Jews.
This small, but powerful, group of Haredim (ultra-Orthodox) is funded by
donations from the West. Much of the money coming to fund the persecution is
given by well-meaning Christians in the USA and other western nations, and
is intended to help the poor. The donors think they are giving to charitable
organizations, but the money is used to build the power base of the Haredim
and pay to persecute believers. Be careful to whom you send your donations!
Be on the safe side ? send them to believers!
In short, to blame the persecution of Christians on themselves is like
telling a victim that she was asking to be mugged. The mugger is at fault ?
not the victim.
Of course, through all this negative publicity, the Lord has been drawing
people to Himself. Several people have become believers BECAUSE of the
persecution and the Christlike response of the Christians. History has shown
that persecution only makes a movement grow.? It is no different in Arad.
The Lord?s Will be done.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com
jgarbuz
2007-10-30 16:36:53 UTC
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Post by Aviroce
In Jerusalem, Jews spit on Christians. In fact, an Armenian bishop
filed a law suit in Israel Supreme Court requesting the court,"Jews
should stop spitting on Christians."
By the way, both acts in Jerusalem and Arad (arad, means Land in Arab;
I don't know what Jews corrupted the word to mean) are operational,
not just theoretical as the same are advocated in the Talmud.<
No such thing exists in the Talmud, Muzzie liar. Anyhow, I doubt any
Jews would have survived at all in Europe if they went around spitting
on crucifixes.
Post by Aviroce
Punishment therefore should be swift. But when you are dealing with a society built on Apartheid and the basis of Apartheid is Religious Fanaticism <
You must be referring to Islam, whch legally distinguishes between
"dhimmis" (Jews and Christians) and Muslims.
Post by Aviroce
as it is the rewarding philosophy it will manifest itself
with religious hate and dogma to eliminate other beliefs and
ideologies. <
Keep on lying. Keep on trucking your bullshit. It is Islam that openly
seeks to predominate, and claims the whole earth as its target for
takeover. Jews have never claimed any place as their own except the
Land of Israel which has been occupied by Arab squatters for too long.
Post by Aviroce
Mind you most of these Jews are not religious and most
were child-molested.<
I don't know much about commies like Karl Marx, whose parents
converted to Christianity in order to get jobs in the German
bureaucracy. Or other atheist Jews like Harris or Hitchens.They
openly push atheism and seek to eliminate religion, which they see as
the source of all troubles.But at least they are not going around
beheading people like you muzzies do.
f***@verizon.net
2007-10-31 00:16:50 UTC
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Post by jgarbuz
Post by Aviroce
In Jerusalem, Jews spit on Christians. In fact, an Armenian bishop
filed a law suit in Israel Supreme Court requesting the court,"Jews
should stop spitting on Christians."
By the way, both acts in Jerusalem and Arad (arad, means Land in Arab;
I don't know what Jews corrupted the word to mean) are operational,
not just theoretical as the same are advocated in the Talmud.<
No such thing exists in the Talmud, Muzzie liar. Anyhow, I doubt any
Jews would have survived at all in Europe if they went around spitting
on crucifixes.
Most didn;t. They got holocausted.

Susan
Aviroce
2007-10-31 15:38:50 UTC
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Are you sure they were not "holocausted" in 1919 when Jews claimed the
Holocaust of Six Million Jews and that is documented?
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by jgarbuz
Post by Aviroce
In Jerusalem, Jews spit on Christians. In fact, an Armenian bishop
filed a law suit in Israel Supreme Court requesting the court,"Jews
should stop spitting on Christians."
By the way, both acts in Jerusalem and Arad (arad, means Land in Arab;
I don't know what Jews corrupted the word to mean) are operational,
not just theoretical as the same are advocated in the Talmud.<
No such thing exists in the Talmud, Muzzie liar. Anyhow, I doubt any
Jews would have survived at all in Europe if they went around spitting
on crucifixes.
Most didn;t. They got holocausted.
Susan
f***@verizon.net
2007-10-31 16:46:50 UTC
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Post by Aviroce
Are you sure they were not "holocausted" in 1919 when Jews claimed the
Holocaust of Six Million Jews and that is documented?
No, they were holocausted in 1939-45. No other holocaust counts.

Susan
Post by Aviroce
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by jgarbuz
Post by Aviroce
In Jerusalem, Jews spit on Christians. In fact, an Armenian bishop
filed a law suit in Israel Supreme Court requesting the court,"Jews
should stop spitting on Christians."
By the way, both acts in Jerusalem and Arad (arad, means Land in Arab;
I don't know what Jews corrupted the word to mean) are operational,
not just theoretical as the same are advocated in the Talmud.<
No such thing exists in the Talmud, Muzzie liar. Anyhow, I doubt any
Jews would have survived at all in Europe if they went around spitting
on crucifixes.
Most didn;t. They got holocausted.
Susan
Aviroce
2007-11-01 02:16:51 UTC
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Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by Aviroce
Are you sure they were not "holocausted" in 1919 when Jews claimed the
Holocaust of Six Million Jews and that is documented?
No, they were holocausted in 1939-45. No other holocaust counts.
Susan
Post by Aviroce
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by jgarbuz
Post by Aviroce
In Jerusalem, Jews spit on Christians. In fact, an Armenian bishop
filed a law suit in Israel Supreme Court requesting the court,"Jews
should stop spitting on Christians."
By the way, both acts in Jerusalem and Arad (arad, means Land in Arab;
I don't know what Jews corrupted the word to mean) are operational,
not just theoretical as the same are advocated in the Talmud.<
No such thing exists in the Talmud, Muzzie liar. Anyhow, I doubt any
Jews would have survived at all in Europe if they went around spitting
on crucifixes.
Most didn;t. They got holocausted.
Susan- Hide quoted text -
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I SUBMITTED A DOCUMENT SHOWING THAT JEWS COMPLAINED OF THE SIX MILLION
JEWS HOLOCAUST IN 1919 BEFORE SOMETHING ALONG MASS KILLING HAPPENED
BEFORE AND DURING WWII.
jgarbuz
2007-11-01 16:31:11 UTC
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Post by Aviroce
I SUBMITTED A DOCUMENT SHOWING THAT JEWS COMPLAINED OF THE SIX MILLION
JEWS HOLOCAUST IN 1919 BEFORE SOMETHING ALONG MASS KILLING HAPPENED
BEFORE AND DURING WWII.<
What document? THe ravings of one particular Jew? It is true that
around 1/4 million Jews did die in WWI, but no one blamed the Germans
in WWI for that.
Aviroce
2007-11-01 21:13:47 UTC
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I wrote the article after getting the document. Please search for it
under my name. In 1919 a NY paper published the article of Six Milion
Jews suffered a Holocaust. My reprint of the article was associated
with one from ElParedon on the Holocaust.
Post by jgarbuz
Post by Aviroce
I SUBMITTED A DOCUMENT SHOWING THAT JEWS COMPLAINED OF THE SIX MILLION
JEWS HOLOCAUST IN 1919 BEFORE SOMETHING ALONG MASS KILLING HAPPENED
BEFORE AND DURING WWII.<
What document? THe ravings of one particular Jew? It is true that
around 1/4 million Jews did die in WWI, but no one blamed the Germans
in WWI for that.
Aviroce
2007-10-31 15:36:49 UTC
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I will look through my archives and get you the passages needed to
show what I stated.

For Jews, the First God is Money, the Second God is Money, and the
Third God is Money. Money, Money, Money.

So when a Yahoo blogger told a Jewish girl to suck his private organ,
I wrote back in response, "She will sell your sperm at the sperm
bank."

After watching the movie "Natural Born Killers" I though Zionists are
that kind of people. Surely they need to be annihilated. May be
beheading each is not good enough. The best is to burn them in hell.
Post by jgarbuz
Post by Aviroce
In Jerusalem, Jews spit on Christians. In fact, an Armenian bishop
filed a law suit in Israel Supreme Court requesting the court,"Jews
should stop spitting on Christians."
By the way, both acts in Jerusalem and Arad (arad, means Land in Arab;
I don't know what Jews corrupted the word to mean) are operational,
not just theoretical as the same are advocated in the Talmud.<
No such thing exists in the Talmud, Muzzie liar. Anyhow, I doubt any
Jews would have survived at all in Europe if they went around spitting
on crucifixes.
Post by Aviroce
Punishment therefore should be swift. But when you are dealing with a society built on Apartheid and the basis of Apartheid is Religious Fanaticism <
You must be referring to Islam, whch legally distinguishes between
"dhimmis" (Jews and Christians) and Muslims.
Post by Aviroce
as it is the rewarding philosophy it will manifest itself
with religious hate and dogma to eliminate other beliefs and
ideologies. <
Keep on lying. Keep on trucking your bullshit. It is Islam that openly
seeks to predominate, and claims the whole earth as its target for
takeover. Jews have never claimed any place as their own except the
Land of Israel which has been occupied by Arab squatters for too long.
Post by Aviroce
Mind you most of these Jews are not religious and most
were child-molested.<
I don't know much about commies like Karl Marx, whose parents
converted to Christianity in order to get jobs in the German
bureaucracy. Or other atheist Jews like Harris or Hitchens.They
openly push atheism and seek to eliminate religion, which they see as
the source of all troubles.But at least they are not going around
beheading people like you muzzies do.
jgarbuz
2007-11-01 16:28:56 UTC
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Post by Aviroce
I will look through my archives and get you the passages needed to
show what I stated.
For Jews, the First God is Money, the Second God is Money, and the
Third God is Money. Money, Money, Money.<
Well, if the Zionists had had more money, because the Arabs were not
shy to sell their land to the Jews, for money, of course, we could
have bought back all of Palestine, including the East Bank (Jordan).
Post by Aviroce
So when a Yahoo blogger told a Jewish girl to suck his private organ, I wrote back in response, "She will sell your sperm at the sperm bank."<
You're a very clever fellow.
Post by Aviroce
After watching the movie "Natural Born Killers"<
II only watched the beginning. Tarantino is crazy. How anyone can
enjoy such movies is beyond me.

I though Zionists are
Post by Aviroce
that kind of people.<
Only towards Amalekites. Amalek has to be exterminated. It's in the
Bible. Failure to do so leads to our own extermination.
Post by Aviroce
Surely they need to be annihilated. May be
beheading each is not good enough. The best is to burn them in hell.<
You make my point perfectly.What I don't understand is with 400
nuclear bombs, Israel hasn't done so already. I guess the lefty Jews
there are waiting for the next holocaust so that they can build more
museums.
Post by Aviroce
Post by jgarbuz
Post by Aviroce
In Jerusalem, Jews spit on Christians. In fact, an Armenian bishop
filed a law suit in Israel Supreme Court requesting the court,"Jews
should stop spitting on Christians."
By the way, both acts in Jerusalem and Arad (arad, means Land in Arab;
I don't know what Jews corrupted the word to mean) are operational,
not just theoretical as the same are advocated in the Talmud.<
No such thing exists in the Talmud, Muzzie liar. Anyhow, I doubt any
Jews would have survived at all in Europe if they went around spitting
on crucifixes.
Post by Aviroce
Punishment therefore should be swift. But when you are dealing with a society built on Apartheid and the basis of Apartheid is Religious Fanaticism <
You must be referring to Islam, whch legally distinguishes between
"dhimmis" (Jews and Christians) and Muslims.
Post by Aviroce
as it is the rewarding philosophy it will manifest itself
with religious hate and dogma to eliminate other beliefs and
ideologies. <
Keep on lying. Keep on trucking your bullshit. It is Islam that openly
seeks to predominate, and claims the whole earth as its target for
takeover. Jews have never claimed any place as their own except the
Land of Israel which has been occupied by Arab squatters for too long.
Post by Aviroce
Mind you most of these Jews are not religious and most
were child-molested.<
I don't know much about commies like Karl Marx, whose parents
converted to Christianity in order to get jobs in the German
bureaucracy. Or other atheist Jews like Harris or Hitchens.They
openly push atheism and seek to eliminate religion, which they see as
the source of all troubles.But at least they are not going around
beheading people like you muzzies do.
Aviroce
2007-11-01 03:41:39 UTC
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jgarbuz
2007-11-01 16:39:24 UTC
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As promised, here are some documents. Notice that Albegenus,
Albattani, and Eye on the Rabbi are of the same person called Aviroce.
From: albattani
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 22:19:16 -0700
Subject: EYE ON THE RABBI: WHY DO I CALL THEM FILTHY JEWISH CULT
MEMBERS?
For all my life I was under the impression, as I was taught
culturally,
that Jews constitute a religious group just like the Messiah
followers ( Jesus followers) and Muslims and Budhists. Even the Koran tells of members of the Jewish religion and Jews who violated that religion.<
I don't know why any supposed rabbi, or anyone, got the impression
that Jews were just members of some religion. Probably because we were
aliienated from our occupied homeland for so long. But even in the
Bible, from the day that God first spoke to Abraham, God promised
Abraham a new nation and a promised land IF he would follow God's
orders. So, without the nationhood or the land, what is the point of
following God? Just to wander around forever like gypsy nomads?
Gypsies claim no homeland. For many Jews, the whole point of praying
and believing in the coming of a Messiah is to bring us home to our
land.
Aviroce
2007-11-01 21:16:05 UTC
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Post by jgarbuz
As promised, here are some documents. Notice that Albegenus,
Albattani, and Eye on the Rabbi are of the same person called Aviroce.
From: albattani
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 22:19:16 -0700
Subject: EYE ON THE RABBI: WHY DO I CALL THEM FILTHY JEWISH CULT
MEMBERS?
For all my life I was under the impression, as I was taught
culturally,
that Jews constitute a religious group just like the Messiah
followers ( Jesus followers) and Muslims and Budhists. Even the Koran tells of members of the Jewish religion and Jews who violated that religion.<
I don't know why any supposed rabbi, or anyone, got the impression
that Jews were just members of some religion. Probably because we were
aliienated from our occupied homeland for so long. But even in the
Bible, from the day that God first spoke to Abraham, God promised
Abraham a new nation and a promised land IF he would follow God's
orders. So, without the nationhood or the land, what is the point of
following God? Just to wander around forever like gypsy nomads?
Gypsies claim no homeland. For many Jews, the whole point of praying
and believing in the coming of a Messiah is to bring us home to our
land.
jgarbuz please don't quote of that nonsense. You wrote the book and
you quote it as facts. I have no place for your god.
drahcir
2007-11-01 21:06:52 UTC
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Aviroce
2007-11-01 21:20:39 UTC
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drahcir
2007-11-01 21:49:51 UTC
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Aviroce
2007-11-02 03:47:29 UTC
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drahcir
2007-11-02 12:55:03 UTC
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Aviroce
2007-11-02 19:05:57 UTC
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drahcir
2007-11-02 21:54:25 UTC
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On Nov 2, 3:05 pm, Aviroce <***@gmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
Please read my answers to your other posts as I went as far as being
very specific about Islamic contributions.
Hello? Anybody there? Did you already forget that I disproved your
assertion about the invention of trig with a cite from a Rutgers prof,
the very same Rutgers that you later decided you got a master's from?

I hope I don't have to
repeat myself. May be I should write an article on the subject to my
group Imperialism_Zionism and always quote it. One thing I did not
mention in my previous articles and that is "The Book of Artifices "
by Beni Musa. This book was imitated by Leonardo Da Vinci in a book
similar to Beni Miusa's. When Baghdad was burnts by the Mongols (not
George W. Bush) these books were wasted (Bush's stolen archives and
museums). One copy was left not in Baghdad but at the Vatican. You
may want to check that out.
Aviroce
2007-11-03 04:09:19 UTC
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Your professor is illiterate. He/She should read the references given
to you. Or your professor is another Libowitz, a misinformer and
disinformer. Are you a minor child less than ten years in age? Your
silly professor is thinking that way about you. He/she is ignorant.

You proved nothing. You said nothing. Your support system is
faulty. Get your act together. You are lopsided.
Post by drahcir
<snip>
Please read my answers to your other posts as I went as far as being
very specific about Islamic contributions.
Hello? Anybody there? Did you already forget that I disproved your
assertion about the invention of trig with a cite from a Rutgers prof,
the very same Rutgers that you later decided you got a master's from?
I hope I don't have to
repeat myself. May be I should write an article on the subject to my
group Imperialism_Zionism and always quote it. One thing I did not
mention in my previous articles and that is "The Book of Artifices "
by Beni Musa. This book was imitated by Leonardo Da Vinci in a book
similar to Beni Miusa's. When Baghdad was burnts by the Mongols (not
George W. Bush) these books were wasted (Bush's stolen archives and
museums). One copy was left not in Baghdad but at the Vatican. You
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drahcir
2007-11-02 12:59:45 UTC
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The "he" is better than the "hi" because of the unknown Arabic letter
of the alphabet.
Sorry, forgot to ask you, if the "he" is "better" than the "hi", why
does every translator use "hi"? Do you know better than professional
translators, all of whom are in agreement?

This is so funny. I ran into this in soc.religion.islam until they
effectively banned me (they couldn't take the heat). You get into
arguments with these jokers and, as usual, when they are cornered they
fall back onto the translation thing. It is interesting how they
always seem to be at variance with professional translators, and the
variance is always favorable to islam.

Hey, if you post at sri, please give everyone my greetings.
Aviroce
2007-11-02 19:11:15 UTC
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A good translator is one whose language is Arabic and has a great
mastery of English. In Arabic there is that letter "hha" whose sound
comes from the back of your throat. By writing "he" I stretch the
sound to indicate the letter. By writing "hi" you cut the sound too
short. The first is better than the second.

By the way, Cremora was the smartest Italian who mastered Arabic and
Latin to be able to translate Arabic books into Latin and build the
beginning of European languages. Yes. English is loaded with Arabic.
Post by drahcir
of the alphabet.
Sorry, forgot to ask you, if the "he" is "better" than the "hi", why
does every translator use "hi"? Do you know better than professional
translators, all of whom are in agreement?
This is so funny. I ran into this in soc.religion.islam until they
effectively banned me (they couldn't take the heat). You get into
arguments with these jokers and, as usual, when they are cornered they
fall back onto the translation thing. It is interesting how they
always seem to be at variance with professional translators, and the
variance is always favorable to islam.
Hey, if you post at sri, please give everyone my greetings.
drahcir
2007-11-05 14:30:35 UTC
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Post by Aviroce
A good translator is one whose language is Arabic and has a great
mastery of English. In Arabic there is that letter "hha" whose sound
comes from the back of your throat. By writing "he" I stretch the
sound to indicate the letter. By writing "hi" you cut the sound too
short. The first is better than the second.
You can argue with nearly every single reference on the web that
chooses "hi". not with me. I couldn't give a rat's ass about anything
arabic.
Post by Aviroce
By the way, Cremora was the smartest Italian who mastered Arabic and
Latin to be able to translate Arabic books into Latin and build the
beginning of European languages. Yes. English is loaded with Arabic.
Yeah, I heard that one too recently, from that loon Mirelle. It was
rather easy to stomp her into the ground. If you care to read it, go
Post by Aviroce
Post by drahcir
of the alphabet.
Sorry, forgot to ask you, if the "he" is "better" than the "hi", why
does every translator use "hi"? Do you know better than professional
translators, all of whom are in agreement?
This is so funny. I ran into this in soc.religion.islam until they
effectively banned me (they couldn't take the heat). You get into
arguments with these jokers and, as usual, when they are cornered they
fall back onto the translation thing. It is interesting how they
always seem to be at variance with professional translators, and the
variance is always favorable to islam.
Hey, if you post at sri, please give everyone my greetings.
Aviroce
2007-11-05 16:05:47 UTC
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You need to read my new observation about Jews/Zionists which I have
called a theory. Jewish Supremacy Theory states that Jews use
supremacy like a rattle snake uses poison. Once the victim is
circumscribed, the swallowing takes place.

You started with Mensa to show you are smarter than others. Then you
began to make statements that have no substantiation. In fact one of
the posters told you "You know shit. And you said shit." I never use
that language. But it is the correct communication skill to deal with
individuals like you.

May be you passed a Mensa test, but you are as ignorant as a rock. I
used the Arabic terminology for you, "You are a drum." This means you
are empty. You only can echoe sounds. Mr. Drum, lay off.
Post by drahcir
Post by Aviroce
A good translator is one whose language is Arabic and has a great
mastery of English. In Arabic there is that letter "hha" whose sound
comes from the back of your throat. By writing "he" I stretch the
sound to indicate the letter. By writing "hi" you cut the sound too
short. The first is better than the second.
You can argue with nearly every single reference on the web that
chooses "hi". not with me. I couldn't give a rat's ass about anything
arabic.
Post by Aviroce
By the way, Cremora was the smartest Italian who mastered Arabic and
Latin to be able to translate Arabic books into Latin and build the
beginning of European languages. Yes. English is loaded with Arabic.
Yeah, I heard that one too recently, from that loon Mirelle. It was
rather easy to stomp her into the ground. If you care to read it, go
Post by Aviroce
Post by drahcir
of the alphabet.
Sorry, forgot to ask you, if the "he" is "better" than the "hi", why
does every translator use "hi"? Do you know better than professional
translators, all of whom are in agreement?
This is so funny. I ran into this in soc.religion.islam until they
effectively banned me (they couldn't take the heat). You get into
arguments with these jokers and, as usual, when they are cornered they
fall back onto the translation thing. It is interesting how they
always seem to be at variance with professional translators, and the
variance is always favorable to islam.
Hey, if you post at sri, please give everyone my greetings.- Hide quoted text -
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drahcir
2007-11-06 00:42:36 UTC
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Post by Aviroce
You need to read my new observation about Jews/Zionists which I have
called a theory. Jewish Supremacy Theory states that Jews use
supremacy like a rattle snake uses poison. Once the victim is
circumscribed, the swallowing takes place.
You started with Mensa to show you are smarter than others.
I (or we) "started with mensa"?? Listen, you fruitcake, jews have been
smarter than everyone for one helluva lot longer than mensa has been
in existence. Mensa is a stupid organization for insecure people.

Then you
Post by Aviroce
began to make statements that have no substantiation.
Would you mind cutting and pasting them in this thread? For some
strange reason I find myself unable to recall them. LOL!

In fact one of
Post by Aviroce
the posters told you "You know shit. And you said shit." I never use
that language. But it is the correct communication skill to deal with
individuals like you.
You "mind" is wandering.
Post by Aviroce
May be you passed a Mensa test, but you are as ignorant as a rock. I
used the Arabic terminology for you, "You are a drum." This means you
are empty. You only can echoe sounds. Mr. Drum, lay off.
Listen, if you are finished now, you still have to tell my why, when
confronted with my assertion that arabs and muslims in general are in
the cellar of humanity with regard to positive contribution, you
started babbling about some arab who you claimed invented trig 1200
years ago. You need to come to terms with just how pitiful your reply
was and how pathetically misdirected arabs and all muslims are, as
shown by their meager record of accomplishment.
Post by Aviroce
Post by drahcir
Post by Aviroce
A good translator is one whose language is Arabic and has a great
mastery of English. In Arabic there is that letter "hha" whose sound
comes from the back of your throat. By writing "he" I stretch the
sound to indicate the letter. By writing "hi" you cut the sound too
short. The first is better than the second.
You can argue with nearly every single reference on the web that
chooses "hi". not with me. I couldn't give a rat's ass about anything
arabic.
Post by Aviroce
By the way, Cremora was the smartest Italian who mastered Arabic and
Latin to be able to translate Arabic books into Latin and build the
beginning of European languages. Yes. English is loaded with Arabic.
Yeah, I heard that one too recently, from that loon Mirelle. It was
rather easy to stomp her into the ground. If you care to read it, go
Post by Aviroce
Post by drahcir
of the alphabet.
Sorry, forgot to ask you, if the "he" is "better" than the "hi", why
does every translator use "hi"? Do you know better than professional
translators, all of whom are in agreement?
This is so funny. I ran into this in soc.religion.islam until they
effectively banned me (they couldn't take the heat). You get into
arguments with these jokers and, as usual, when they are cornered they
fall back onto the translation thing. It is interesting how they
always seem to be at variance with professional translators, and the
variance is always favorable to islam.
Hey, if you post at sri, please give everyone my greetings.- Hide quoted text -
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J***@hotmail.com
2007-11-06 00:45:59 UTC
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Post by drahcir
Post by Aviroce
You need to read my new observation about Jews/Zionists which I have
called a theory. Jewish Supremacy Theory states that Jews use
supremacy like a rattle snake uses poison. Once the victim is
circumscribed, the swallowing takes place.
You started with Mensa to show you are smarter than others.
I (or we) "started with mensa"?? Listen, you fruitcake, jews have been
smarter than everyone for one helluva lot longer than mensa has been
in existence. Mensa is a stupid organization for insecure people.
Then you
Post by Aviroce
began to make statements that have no substantiation.
Would you mind cutting and pasting them in this thread? For some
strange reason I find myself unable to recall them. LOL!
In fact one of
Post by Aviroce
the posters told you "You know shit. And you said shit." I never use
that language. But it is the correct communication skill to deal with
individuals like you.
You "mind" is wandering.
Post by Aviroce
May be you passed a Mensa test, but you are as ignorant as a rock. I
used the Arabic terminology for you, "You are a drum." This means you
are empty. You only can echoe sounds. Mr. Drum, lay off.
Listen, if you are finished now, you still have to tell my why, when
confronted with my assertion that arabs and muslims in general are in
the cellar of humanity with regard to positive contribution, you
started babbling about some arab who you claimed invented trig 1200
years ago. You need to come to terms with just how pitiful your reply
was and how pathetically misdirected arabs and all muslims are, as
shown by their meager record of accomplishment.
Post by Aviroce
Post by drahcir
Post by Aviroce
A good translator is one whose language is Arabic and has a great
mastery of English. In Arabic there is that letter "hha" whose sound
comes from the back of your throat. By writing "he" I stretch the
sound to indicate the letter. By writing "hi" you cut the sound too
short. The first is better than the second.
You can argue with nearly every single reference on the web that
chooses "hi". not with me. I couldn't give a rat's ass about anything
arabic.
Post by Aviroce
By the way, Cremora was the smartest Italian who mastered Arabic and
Latin to be able to translate Arabic books into Latin and build the
beginning of European languages. Yes. English is loaded with Arabic.
Yeah, I heard that one too recently, from that loon Mirelle. It was
rather easy to stomp her into the ground. If you care to read it, go
Post by Aviroce
Post by drahcir
of the alphabet.
Sorry, forgot to ask you, if the "he" is "better" than the "hi", why
does every translator use "hi"? Do you know better than professional
translators, all of whom are in agreement?
This is so funny. I ran into this in soc.religion.islam until they
effectively banned me (they couldn't take the heat). You get into
arguments with these jokers and, as usual, when they are cornered they
fall back onto the translation thing. It is interesting how they
always seem to be at variance with professional translators, and the
variance is always favorable to islam.
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I once had a girl that was horny as hell,
They called her harlot but I called her Bell.
Her pussy was pink and ready for me,
So I'd wash my dick after taking a pee.
So wet and juicy was her beaver at night.
I'd ride into town ready to fight.
Bell would be waiting on the upper most floor,
They'd say "Go in there upstairs is your whore."
I'd slip off her bustle with oh so much pride,
If I forgot her panties it was me she would chide.
I slide my pecker into her tunnel of love.
Her face as pretty as a snow white dove.
Her ass was off limits there I was forbidden to go,
She wanted my dick white as a winter's day snow.
She'd huff and she'd puff and she'd wrap it around,
My humble white penis four feet from the ground.
She'd moan and she'd groan as if I were big.
For I'm just a midget dick and not a black nig!
And as I'd climax from the ecstasy of chaste,
She say, "Cowboy you fucked-up why can't you last."
I'd say, "Bell I'm sorry for humping you so,
If you'll suck on my dick I'm sure it will grow."
Well that ends my story of the horny gal Bell,
I loved her so much she was always my pal.
Aviroce
2007-11-06 04:51:23 UTC
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Post by drahcir
Post by Aviroce
You need to read my new observation about Jews/Zionists which I have
called a theory. Jewish Supremacy Theory states that Jews use
supremacy like a rattle snake uses poison. Once the victim is
circumscribed, the swallowing takes place.
You started with Mensa to show you are smarter than others.
I (or we) "started with mensa"?? Listen, you fruitcake, jews have been
smarter than everyone for one helluva lot longer than mensa has been
in existence. Mensa is a stupid organization for insecure people.
Then you
Post by Aviroce
began to make statements that have no substantiation.
Would you mind cutting and pasting them in this thread? For some
strange reason I find myself unable to recall them. LOL!
In fact one of
Post by Aviroce
the posters told you "You know shit. And you said shit." I never use
that language. But it is the correct communication skill to deal with
individuals like you.
You "mind" is wandering.
Post by Aviroce
May be you passed a Mensa test, but you are as ignorant as a rock. I
used the Arabic terminology for you, "You are a drum." This means you
are empty. You only can echoe sounds. Mr. Drum, lay off.
Listen, if you are finished now, you still have to tell my why, when
confronted with my assertion that arabs and muslims in general are in
the cellar of humanity with regard to positive contribution, you
started babbling about some arab who you claimed invented trig 1200
years ago. You need to come to terms with just how pitiful your reply
was and how pathetically misdirected arabs and all muslims are, as
shown by their meager record of accomplishment.
Post by Aviroce
Post by drahcir
Post by Aviroce
A good translator is one whose language is Arabic and has a great
mastery of English. In Arabic there is that letter "hha" whose sound
comes from the back of your throat. By writing "he" I stretch the
sound to indicate the letter. By writing "hi" you cut the sound too
short. The first is better than the second.
You can argue with nearly every single reference on the web that
chooses "hi". not with me. I couldn't give a rat's ass about anything
arabic.
Post by Aviroce
By the way, Cremora was the smartest Italian who mastered Arabic and
Latin to be able to translate Arabic books into Latin and build the
beginning of European languages. Yes. English is loaded with Arabic.
Yeah, I heard that one too recently, from that loon Mirelle. It was
rather easy to stomp her into the ground. If you care to read it, go
Post by Aviroce
Post by drahcir
of the alphabet.
Sorry, forgot to ask you, if the "he" is "better" than the "hi", why
does every translator use "hi"? Do you know better than professional
translators, all of whom are in agreement?
This is so funny. I ran into this in soc.religion.islam until they
effectively banned me (they couldn't take the heat). You get into
arguments with these jokers and, as usual, when they are cornered they
fall back onto the translation thing. It is interesting how they
always seem to be at variance with professional translators, and the
variance is always favorable to islam.
Hey, if you post at sri, please give everyone my greetings.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I once had a girl that was horny as hell,
They called her harlot but I called her Bell.
Her pussy was pink and ready for me,
So I'd wash my dick after taking a pee.
So wet and juicy was her beaver at night.
I'd ride into town ready to fight.
Bell would be waiting on the upper most floor,
They'd say "Go in there upstairs is your whore."
I'd slip off her bustle with oh so much pride,
If I forgot her panties it was me she would chide.
I slide my pecker into her tunnel of love.
Her face as pretty as a snow white dove.
Her ass was off limits there I was forbidden to go,
She wanted my dick white as a winter's day snow.
She'd huff and she'd puff and she'd wrap it around,
My humble white penis four feet from the ground.
She'd moan and she'd groan as if I were big.
For I'm just a midget dick and not a black nig!
And as I'd climax from the ecstasy of chaste,
She say, "Cowboy you fucked-up why can't you last."
I'd say, "Bell I'm sorry for humping you so,
If you'll suck on my dick I'm sure it will grow."
Well that ends my story of the horny gal Bell,
I loved her so much she was always my pal.- Hide quoted text -
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It sounds like you had a good time with a prostitute. Are you so
desparate when Jewish bitches are everywhere? Just use condom and
take it full as these bitches sell your juice to the sperm bank.
Aviroce
2007-11-06 04:46:41 UTC
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Post by drahcir
Post by Aviroce
You need to read my new observation about Jews/Zionists which I have
called a theory. Jewish Supremacy Theory states that Jews use
supremacy like a rattle snake uses poison. Once the victim is
circumscribed, the swallowing takes place.
You started with Mensa to show you are smarter than others.
I (or we) "started with mensa"?? Listen, you fruitcake, jews have been
smarter than everyone for one helluva lot longer than mensa has been
in existence. Mensa is a stupid organization for insecure people.
Then you
Post by Aviroce
began to make statements that have no substantiation.
Would you mind cutting and pasting them in this thread? For some
strange reason I find myself unable to recall them. LOL!
In fact one of
Post by Aviroce
the posters told you "You know shit. And you said shit." I never use
that language. But it is the correct communication skill to deal with
individuals like you.
You "mind" is wandering.
Post by Aviroce
May be you passed a Mensa test, but you are as ignorant as a rock. I
used the Arabic terminology for you, "You are a drum." This means you
are empty. You only can echoe sounds. Mr. Drum, lay off.
Listen, if you are finished now, you still have to tell my why, when
confronted with my assertion that arabs and muslims in general are in
the cellar of humanity with regard to positive contribution, you
started babbling about some arab who you claimed invented trig 1200
years ago. You need to come to terms with just how pitiful your reply
was and how pathetically misdirected arabs and all muslims are, as
shown by their meager record of accomplishment.
Post by Aviroce
Post by drahcir
Post by Aviroce
A good translator is one whose language is Arabic and has a great
mastery of English. In Arabic there is that letter "hha" whose sound
comes from the back of your throat. By writing "he" I stretch the
sound to indicate the letter. By writing "hi" you cut the sound too
short. The first is better than the second.
You can argue with nearly every single reference on the web that
chooses "hi". not with me. I couldn't give a rat's ass about anything
arabic.
Post by Aviroce
By the way, Cremora was the smartest Italian who mastered Arabic and
Latin to be able to translate Arabic books into Latin and build the
beginning of European languages. Yes. English is loaded with Arabic.
Yeah, I heard that one too recently, from that loon Mirelle. It was
rather easy to stomp her into the ground. If you care to read it, go
Post by Aviroce
Post by drahcir
of the alphabet.
Sorry, forgot to ask you, if the "he" is "better" than the "hi", why
does every translator use "hi"? Do you know better than professional
translators, all of whom are in agreement?
This is so funny. I ran into this in soc.religion.islam until they
effectively banned me (they couldn't take the heat). You get into
arguments with these jokers and, as usual, when they are cornered they
fall back onto the translation thing. It is interesting how they
always seem to be at variance with professional translators, and the
variance is always favorable to islam.
Hey, if you post at sri, please give everyone my greetings.- Hide quoted text -
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"I (or we) "started with mensa"?? " My apology only on this
statement. It was 'flamestar.'

But given what you posted afterwards, it may as well apply to you.
Jews are not smarter than other people. Jews have what other people
don't and that is an organized monopoly. I have been trying hard to
get the FBI to examine that issue as they did other groups before.
Jews have a monopoly on licensing and once someone appears with an
idea, Jews request that such person be certified by them. For
instance when the Honorable Jimmy Carter published on Israel an
Aparthaid state, all his Jewish researchers resigned accsuing
President Carter on not consulting them on the issue. As far as I am
concerned they can go to hell and they did. President Carter hired
others.

If you look at some of my posts on the issue of licensing, I appealled
to the American public to take Jews to task to abandon their monopoly
which is the breeding ground for dissatisfaction, hate and retaliation.
drahcir
2007-11-06 13:09:26 UTC
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Post by Aviroce
Post by drahcir
Post by Aviroce
You need to read my new observation about Jews/Zionists which I have
called a theory. Jewish Supremacy Theory states that Jews use
supremacy like a rattle snake uses poison. Once the victim is
circumscribed, the swallowing takes place.
You started with Mensa to show you are smarter than others.
I (or we) "started with mensa"?? Listen, you fruitcake, jews have been
smarter than everyone for one helluva lot longer than mensa has been
in existence. Mensa is a stupid organization for insecure people.
Then you
Post by Aviroce
began to make statements that have no substantiation.
Would you mind cutting and pasting them in this thread? For some
strange reason I find myself unable to recall them. LOL!
In fact one of
Post by Aviroce
the posters told you "You know shit. And you said shit." I never use
that language. But it is the correct communication skill to deal with
individuals like you.
You "mind" is wandering.
Post by Aviroce
May be you passed a Mensa test, but you are as ignorant as a rock. I
used the Arabic terminology for you, "You are a drum." This means you
are empty. You only can echoe sounds. Mr. Drum, lay off.
Listen, if you are finished now, you still have to tell my why, when
confronted with my assertion that arabs and muslims in general are in
the cellar of humanity with regard to positive contribution, you
started babbling about some arab who you claimed invented trig 1200
years ago. You need to come to terms with just how pitiful your reply
was and how pathetically misdirected arabs and all muslims are, as
shown by their meager record of accomplishment.
Post by Aviroce
Post by drahcir
Post by Aviroce
A good translator is one whose language is Arabic and has a great
mastery of English. In Arabic there is that letter "hha" whose sound
comes from the back of your throat. By writing "he" I stretch the
sound to indicate the letter. By writing "hi" you cut the sound too
short. The first is better than the second.
You can argue with nearly every single reference on the web that
chooses "hi". not with me. I couldn't give a rat's ass about anything
arabic.
Post by Aviroce
By the way, Cremora was the smartest Italian who mastered Arabic and
Latin to be able to translate Arabic books into Latin and build the
beginning of European languages. Yes. English is loaded with Arabic.
Yeah, I heard that one too recently, from that loon Mirelle. It was
rather easy to stomp her into the ground. If you care to read it, go
Post by Aviroce
Post by drahcir
of the alphabet.
Sorry, forgot to ask you, if the "he" is "better" than the "hi", why
does every translator use "hi"? Do you know better than professional
translators, all of whom are in agreement?
This is so funny. I ran into this in soc.religion.islam until they
effectively banned me (they couldn't take the heat). You get into
arguments with these jokers and, as usual, when they are cornered they
fall back onto the translation thing. It is interesting how they
always seem to be at variance with professional translators, and the
variance is always favorable to islam.
Hey, if you post at sri, please give everyone my greetings.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
"I (or we) "started with mensa"?? " My apology only on this
statement. It was 'flamestar.'
But given what you posted afterwards, it may as well apply to you.
Jews are not smarter than other people. Jews have what other people
don't and that is an organized monopoly.
LOL! There are no jews on the Nobel board. Jews have won BY FAR more
nobels per capita than any other group on earth. You already know
that, but your islam-polluted brain can't cope. Nobels are only one
small example of the difference between jews and all others. I don't
really know why it's true, but I am an objective person and don't have
any stupid book telling me that jews are apes and pigs and a tree will
tell me to kill a jew that is hiding behind it, so I can see things as
they are. "Organized monopoly" - hehe - muslims and their fantasies.


I have been trying hard to
Post by Aviroce
get the FBI to examine that issue as they did other groups before.
Oh, you just keep up the good work, avi. I am sure the FBI wants to
know all about your theories.
Post by Aviroce
Jews have a monopoly on licensing and once someone appears with an
idea, Jews request that such person be certified by them.
wheeooo - it's getting better!

For
Post by Aviroce
instance when the Honorable Jimmy Carter published on Israel an
Aparthaid state, all his Jewish researchers resigned accsuing
President Carter on not consulting them on the issue. As far as I am
concerned they can go to hell and they did.
How do you know? hehe!

President Carter hired
Post by Aviroce
others.
If you look at some of my posts on the issue of licensing, I appealled
to the American public to take Jews to task to abandon their monopoly
which is the breeding ground for dissatisfaction, hate and retaliation.
You are more far gone than I thought, avi. With your keen, incisive
objectivity, you must be one helluva "scientist"!

Thank you for this post. It has given me a big laugh. I am going down
to the license bureau today and wait in line just to tell all of those
jews that work down there what you said!

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