Discussion:
Do Orthodox Jewish Females Shave Their Pussy?
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Moishe Lipshitz
2005-08-27 19:29:16 UTC
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Why do we only hear about them shaving their heads? What about their
pussies?
Jeffrey E. Salzberg
2005-08-27 19:37:50 UTC
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Post by Moishe Lipshitz
Why do we only hear about them shaving their heads?
Because Christian nobility used to rape them, so they started shaving
their heads to make themselves less attractive.
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slim
2005-08-27 21:37:47 UTC
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Post by Jeffrey E. Salzberg
Post by Moishe Lipshitz
Why do we only hear about them shaving their heads?
Because Christian nobility used to rape them, so they started shaving
their heads to make themselves less attractive.
So why continue this archaic practice?

http://www.pinenet.com/rooster/hasid2.html

Q-11: I have heard that Hasidic women shave their heads on their wedding
night. Is this true? If so, why?

Although some (not all) Hasidic woman do shave their heads, this
practice is not based on a religious commandment, but is a custom based
on a number of possible reasons. There
is no requirement to shave one's head. But, as explained in Question #4
above, a woman does start to cover her hair after marriage, and some
women prefer to keep their hair very
short, because it is more comfortable under a wig or a scarf.

Regarding the custom (in some groups) to shave the hair on the wedding
night, this can be traced to two things that got combined. First of all,
a woman goes to the mikveh (ritual
immersion) just before her wedding, and every part of her -- every
single hair -- must be submerged simutaneously. Naturally, it is easier
to do this if the hair is short and cannot
float on the water.

In addition, there was a time in Europe when the non-Jewish kings or
other rulers had the right to sleep with any bride in their kingdom on
her wedding night. This was recently
dramatized in the Mel Gibson movie, Braveheart, which was set in Old
Scotland. But it was also true throughout much of Europe, including the
Eastern and Baltic areas where
most Hasidim lived. In many cases, "Prince Charming" was the local
rapistand not so charming at all.
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link between 9/11 and Iraq, the answer is no."
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On May 01, 2003, President Bush declared that,
"Major combat operations in Iraq have ended."

"I'm the commander -- see, I don't need to explain --
I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the
interesting thing about being the president.
Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they
say something, but I don't feel like I owe anybody
an explanation. "
- George "Dubya" Bush
Jeffrey E. Salzberg
2005-08-27 22:00:42 UTC
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Post by slim
Post by Jeffrey E. Salzberg
Post by Moishe Lipshitz
Why do we only hear about them shaving their heads?
Because Christian nobility used to rape them, so they started shaving
their heads to make themselves less attractive.
So why continue this archaic practice?
Most don't.

To others, it's a tradition.

To still others, it's a reminder that there's still insane hatred, in
the form of antisemitism.
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øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton
2005-08-28 00:29:04 UTC
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Would you stop giving false information and take some classes on Judaism
before trying to answer questions.



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: >
: >
: > "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" wrote:
: > >
: > > In article <ga3Qe.400$***@trndny09>, ***@thewall.is says...
: > >
: > > > Why do we only hear about them shaving their heads?
: > >
: > > Because Christian nobility used to rape them, so they started
shaving
: > > their heads to make themselves less attractive.
: >
: > So why continue this archaic practice?
:
: Most don't.
:
: To others, it's a tradition.
:
: To still others, it's a reminder that there's still insane hatred, in
: the form of antisemitism.
:
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Jeffrey E. Salzberg
2005-08-28 00:37:00 UTC
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Post by øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton
Would you stop giving false information and take some classes on Judaism
before trying to answer questions.
Damn. Does that mean I have to return my diploma from yeshiva?
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øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton
2005-08-28 02:20:54 UTC
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Yes -- you must not have been listening or that taught you folklore
instead of real human issues and facts, common amongst so many
Ashkenazim Yeshivot.

Do you somehow think your Yeshiva's diploma is better than any other
Yeshiva's?




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: In article <Wt7Qe.5909$***@bignews3.bellsouth.net>,
: ***@zion.org.il says...
: > Would you stop giving false information and take some classes on
Judaism
: > before trying to answer questions.
:
: Damn. Does that mean I have to return my diploma from yeshiva?
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Jeffrey E. Salzberg
2005-08-28 02:26:52 UTC
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Post by øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton
Yes -- you must not have been listening or that taught you folklore
instead of real human issues and facts, common amongst so many
Ashkenazim Yeshivot.
Or you're a typical nitwit who thinks that what you've been told is true
merely because it's what you've been told.
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øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton
2005-08-28 08:59:30 UTC
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I believe that is you.




"Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <***@volcanomail.com> wrote in message
:
: Or you're a typical nitwit who thinks that what you've been told is
true
: merely because it's what you've been told.
slim
2005-08-28 19:02:25 UTC
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Post by øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton
I believe that is you.
I agree with you on that.
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On May 01, 2003, President Bush declared that,
"Major combat operations in Iraq have ended."

"I'm the commander -- see, I don't need to explain --
I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the
interesting thing about being the president.
Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they
say something, but I don't feel like I owe anybody
an explanation. "
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David Spiro
2005-08-28 18:37:20 UTC
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Post by øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton
Yes -- you must not have been listening or that taught you folklore
instead of real human issues and facts, common amongst so many
Ashkenazim Yeshivot.
Do you somehow think your Yeshiva's diploma is better than any other
Yeshiva's?
Not that this has anything to do with London transport mind you, but this is
why I stopped believing in Judaism, a long time ago.................It is a
shame that so many religions, Judaism included, have focused more on social
norms than the mysteries of the universe, which is what mythologies are
supposed to do in the first place. Amazing. Three Western religions, four if
you include Zoroastriasm, that have 3 different names for the same god, and
they can't get along.
øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton
2005-08-29 01:33:53 UTC
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Judaism is not a Western religion -- Perhaps if you knew more about all
the different forms of Judaism, then you wouldn't be so prejudice and
bigoted.




"David Spiro" <***@bluefrognet.net> wrote in message news:***@enews2.newsguy.com...
: "øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton" <***@zion.org.il> wrote in message
: news:l69Qe.10938$***@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
: > Yes -- you must not have been listening or that taught you folklore
: > instead of real human issues and facts, common amongst so many
: > Ashkenazim Yeshivot.
: >
: > Do you somehow think your Yeshiva's diploma is better than any other
: > Yeshiva's?
:
: Not that this has anything to do with London transport mind you, but
this is
: why I stopped believing in Judaism, a long time ago.................It
is a
: shame that so many religions, Judaism included, have focused more on
social
: norms than the mysteries of the universe, which is what mythologies
are
: supposed to do in the first place. Amazing. Three Western religions,
four if
: you include Zoroastriasm, that have 3 different names for the same
god, and
: they can't get along.
:
:
:
David Spiro
2005-08-29 02:27:48 UTC
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Post by øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton
Judaism is not a Western religion -- Perhaps if you knew more about all
the different forms of Judaism, then you wouldn't be so prejudice and
bigoted.
Prejudiced? Bigoted? Hmm........interesting. How did you arrive at that
conclusion? (Considering I was raised Jewish.)
øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton
2005-08-29 04:36:08 UTC
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Just because you are Jewish does not mean you cannot have prejudices
and/or bigotry.




"David Spiro" <***@bluefrognet.net> wrote in message news:***@enews3.newsguy.com...
: "øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton" <***@zion.org.il> wrote in message
: news:ABtQe.10533$***@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
: > Judaism is not a Western religion -- Perhaps if you knew more about
all
: > the different forms of Judaism, then you wouldn't be so prejudice
and
: > bigoted.
:
: Prejudiced? Bigoted? Hmm........interesting. How did you arrive at
that
: conclusion? (Considering I was raised Jewish.)
:
:
David Spiro
2005-08-29 12:51:55 UTC
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Post by øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton
Just because you are Jewish does not mean you cannot have prejudices
and/or bigotry.
I never said that, and I agree. But you still have not answered my question:
How did you arrive at the conclusion that I was prejudiced and/or bigoted?
slim
2005-08-29 14:24:22 UTC
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Post by øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton
Just because you are Jewish does not mean you cannot have prejudices
and/or bigotry.
Jeffey obviously thinks that he is above it all.

Its pathological with him.
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link between 9/11 and Iraq, the answer is no."
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4865948/

On May 01, 2003, President Bush declared that,
"Major combat operations in Iraq have ended."

"I'm the commander -- see, I don't need to explain --
I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the
interesting thing about being the president.
Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they
say something, but I don't feel like I owe anybody
an explanation. "
- George "Dubya" Bush
Jeffrey E. Salzberg
2005-08-29 14:38:40 UTC
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Post by slim
Post by øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton
Just because you are Jewish does not mean you cannot have prejudices
and/or bigotry.
Jeffey obviously thinks that he is above it all.
As usual, I ask you to cite anything I've said that would lead a sane,
literate English-speaker to so conclude.

...And, as usual, you won't.

<yawn>

Oh, I just noticed that you made fun of my name *again*. That must make
you feel very powerful.
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slim
2005-08-29 18:39:39 UTC
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Post by Jeffrey E. Salzberg
Post by slim
Post by øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton
Just because you are Jewish does not mean you cannot have prejudices
and/or bigotry.
Jeffey obviously thinks that he is above it all.
As usual, I ask you to cite anything I've said that would lead a sane,
literate English-speaker to so conclude.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

THATS ALL FOLKS!
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Donald Rumsfeld: "If you're asking if there's a direct
link between 9/11 and Iraq, the answer is no."
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4865948/

On May 01, 2003, President Bush declared that,
"Major combat operations in Iraq have ended."

"I'm the commander -- see, I don't need to explain --
I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the
interesting thing about being the president.
Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they
say something, but I don't feel like I owe anybody
an explanation. "
- George "Dubya" Bush
Jeffrey E. Salzberg
2005-08-29 18:43:01 UTC
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Post by slim
Post by Jeffrey E. Salzberg
As usual, I ask you to cite anything I've said that would lead a sane,
literate English-speaker to so conclude.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
THATS ALL FOLKS!
You omitted the part where I correctly predicted:

"...And, as usual, you won't."
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mrbrklyn
2005-08-29 04:40:47 UTC
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<<Not that this has anything to do with London transport mind you, but
this is
why I stopped believing in Judaism, a long time ago.................It
is a
shame that so many religions, Judaism included, have focused more on
social
norms than the mysteries of the universe, which is what mythologies are
supposed to do in the first place. Amazing. Three Western religions,
four if
you include Zoroastriasm, that have 3 different names for the same god,
and
they can't get along. >>

So why are you posting to a Judaism Newsgroup then?

Are you just trolling?

Ruben
David Spiro
2005-08-29 12:53:49 UTC
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Post by mrbrklyn
So why are you posting to a Judaism Newsgroup then?
Are you just trolling?
Ruben
Becuase it came up on the uk.transport ng, and I decided to answer it. Then
again, are you simply trolling on the uk.transport group? Sigh...maybe the
best answer is to killfile the thread. Yes, good idea. Then I don't have to
listen to this nonsense...............
slim
2005-08-28 18:58:15 UTC
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Post by øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton
Yes -- you must not have been listening or that taught you folklore
instead of real human issues and facts, common amongst so many
Ashkenazim Yeshivot.
Do you somehow think your Yeshiva's diploma is better than any other
Yeshiva's?
I GOT TEN BUCKS ON RAINMAN!!!!
--
Donald Rumsfeld: "If you're asking if there's a direct
link between 9/11 and Iraq, the answer is no."
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4865948/

On May 01, 2003, President Bush declared that,
"Major combat operations in Iraq have ended."

"I'm the commander -- see, I don't need to explain --
I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the
interesting thing about being the president.
Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they
say something, but I don't feel like I owe anybody
an explanation. "
- George "Dubya" Bush
slim
2005-08-28 01:47:15 UTC
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Post by øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton
Would you stop giving false information and take some classes on Judaism
before trying to answer questions.
: >
: >
: > >
: > >
: > > > Why do we only hear about them shaving their heads?
: > >
: > > Because Christian nobility used to rape them, so they started
shaving
: > > their heads to make themselves less attractive.
: >
: > So why continue this archaic practice?
: Most don't.
: To others, it's a tradition.
: To still others, it's a reminder that there's still insane hatred, in
: the form of antisemitism.
Zionism and Fascism. You forgot those hate-filled institutions.
--
Donald Rumsfeld: "If you're asking if there's a direct
link between 9/11 and Iraq, the answer is no."
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4865948/

On May 01, 2003, President Bush declared that,
"Major combat operations in Iraq have ended."

"I'm the commander -- see, I don't need to explain --
I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the
interesting thing about being the president.
Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they
say something, but I don't feel like I owe anybody
an explanation. "
- George "Dubya" Bush
øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton
2005-08-28 02:21:34 UTC
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You forgot you don't have a brain. Stay out of something you know
nothing about, ARAB PIG.


"slim" <pickin'***@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message news:***@nyc.rr.com...
:
:
: "øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton" wrote:
: >
: > Would you stop giving false information and take some classes on
Judaism
: > before trying to answer questions.
: >
: > "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <***@volcanomail.com> wrote in
message
: > news:***@newsgroups.comcast.net...
: > : In article <***@nyc.rr.com>, pickin'***@nyc.rr.com
says...
: > : >
: > : >
: > : > "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" wrote:
: > : > >
: > : > > In article <ga3Qe.400$***@trndny09>, ***@thewall.is
says...
: > : > >
: > : > > > Why do we only hear about them shaving their heads?
: > : > >
: > : > > Because Christian nobility used to rape them, so they started
: > shaving
: > : > > their heads to make themselves less attractive.
: > : >
: > : > So why continue this archaic practice?
: > :
: > : Most don't.
: > :
: > : To others, it's a tradition.
: > :
: > : To still others, it's a reminder that there's still insane hatred,
in
: > : the form of antisemitism.
:
: Zionism and Fascism. You forgot those hate-filled institutions.
:
: --
:
:
: Donald Rumsfeld: "If you're asking if there's a direct
: link between 9/11 and Iraq, the answer is no."
: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4865948/
:
: On May 01, 2003, President Bush declared that,
: "Major combat operations in Iraq have ended."
:
: "I'm the commander -- see, I don't need to explain --
: I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the
: interesting thing about being the president.
: Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they
: say something, but I don't feel like I owe anybody
: an explanation. "
: - George "Dubya" Bush
slim
2005-08-28 18:59:47 UTC
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Post by øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton
You forgot you don't have a brain. Stay out of something you know
nothing about, ARAB PIG.
WRONG.

I am not Arab, Rainman.

Keep guessing.

And please try not to top-post like a petulant child, OK?
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link between 9/11 and Iraq, the answer is no."
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4865948/

On May 01, 2003, President Bush declared that,
"Major combat operations in Iraq have ended."

"I'm the commander -- see, I don't need to explain --
I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the
interesting thing about being the president.
Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they
say something, but I don't feel like I owe anybody
an explanation. "
- George "Dubya" Bush
Jeffrey E. Salzberg
2005-08-28 02:23:17 UTC
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Post by slim
Zionism and Fascism. You forgot those hate-filled institutions.
Well, Zionism, of course, is not in any way what a sane person would
define as "hate-filled" and as long as you're around, we're not likely
to forget that there are Nazis and other fascists.
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Jewcy
2005-08-28 18:55:54 UTC
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Post by Jeffrey E. Salzberg
Post by slim
Zionism and Fascism. You forgot those hate-filled institutions.
Well, Zionism, of course, is not in any way what a sane person would
define as "hate-filled" and as long as you're around, we're not likely
to forget that there are Nazis and other fascists.
Of course not, anybody that says Zionism is racist, is the racist
themselves.

Jewcy.
Jeffrey E. Salzberg
2005-08-28 19:04:10 UTC
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In article <431208df$***@alt.athenanews.com>, ***@hottubin.com
says...
Post by Jewcy
Post by Jeffrey E. Salzberg
Well, Zionism, of course, is not in any way what a sane person would
define as "hate-filled" and as long as you're around, we're not likely
to forget that there are Nazis and other fascists.
Of course not, anybody that says Zionism is racist, is the racist
themselves.
Not necessarily; sometimes they're just ignorant. They're only bigots
if they denounce Zionism based on their hatred of Jews.

Unfortunately, many antisemites are just sane enough to realize that
publicly flaunting their bigotry is still socially unacceptable, so they
hide it under the guise of anti-Zionism. Mike, the person to whom my
reply was directed, doesn't even bother with this subterfuge.

I'm sure you understand.
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slim
2005-08-28 19:03:13 UTC
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Post by øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton
says...
Post by Jewcy
Post by Jeffrey E. Salzberg
Well, Zionism, of course, is not in any way what a sane person would
define as "hate-filled" and as long as you're around, we're not likely
to forget that there are Nazis and other fascists.
Of course not, anybody that says Zionism is racist, is the racist
themselves.
Not necessarily; sometimes they're just ignorant. They're only bigots
if they denounce Zionism based on their hatred of Jews.
Unfortunately, many antisemites are just sane enough to realize that
publicly flaunting their bigotry is still socially unacceptable, so they
hide it under the guise of anti-Zionism. Mike, the person to whom my
reply was directed, doesn't even bother with this subterfuge.
I'm sure you understand.
You're a typical nitwit who thinks that what you've been told is true
merely because it's what you've been told.
--
Donald Rumsfeld: "If you're asking if there's a direct
link between 9/11 and Iraq, the answer is no."
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4865948/

On May 01, 2003, President Bush declared that,
"Major combat operations in Iraq have ended."

"I'm the commander -- see, I don't need to explain --
I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the
interesting thing about being the president.
Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they
say something, but I don't feel like I owe anybody
an explanation. "
- George "Dubya" Bush
Jeffrey E. Salzberg
2005-08-28 19:20:39 UTC
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Post by slim
You're a typical nitwit who thinks that what you've been told is true
merely because it's what you've been told.
Oh, look! Mike's got a new phrase to mindlessly parrot while deluding
himself into thinking he's being witty!

How cute!
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2005-08-28 23:06:57 UTC
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Post by Jeffrey E. Salzberg
Post by slim
You're a typical nitwit who thinks that what you've been told is true
merely because it's what you've been told.
Oh, look! Mike's got a new phrase to mindlessly parrot while deluding
himself into thinking he's being witty!
How cute!
Gee, Jeffey I thought you would be flattered as I was just doing the
exact same thing you do. But then, any sane person could see that.
--
Donald Rumsfeld: "If you're asking if there's a direct
link between 9/11 and Iraq, the answer is no."
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4865948/

On May 01, 2003, President Bush declared that,
"Major combat operations in Iraq have ended."

"I'm the commander -- see, I don't need to explain --
I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the
interesting thing about being the president.
Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they
say something, but I don't feel like I owe anybody
an explanation. "
- George "Dubya" Bush
Jewcy
2005-08-29 03:01:53 UTC
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Post by slim
Post by Jeffrey E. Salzberg
Post by slim
You're a typical nitwit who thinks that what you've been told is true
merely because it's what you've been told.
Oh, look! Mike's got a new phrase to mindlessly parrot while deluding
himself into thinking he's being witty!
How cute!
Gee, Jeffey I thought you would be flattered as I was just doing the
exact same thing you do. But then, any sane person could see that.
Any sane person would not assert the things you are trying to.

Jewcy
Post by slim
Donald Rumsfeld: "If you're asking if there's a direct
link between 9/11 and Iraq, the answer is no."
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4865948/
On May 01, 2003, President Bush declared that,
"Major combat operations in Iraq have ended."
"I'm the commander -- see, I don't need to explain --
I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the
interesting thing about being the president.
Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they
say something, but I don't feel like I owe anybody
an explanation. "
- George "Dubya" Bush
Jewcy
2005-08-28 19:15:28 UTC
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Post by øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton
says...
Post by Jewcy
Post by Jeffrey E. Salzberg
Well, Zionism, of course, is not in any way what a sane person would
define as "hate-filled" and as long as you're around, we're not likely
to forget that there are Nazis and other fascists.
Of course not, anybody that says Zionism is racist, is the racist
themselves.
Not necessarily; sometimes they're just ignorant. They're only bigots
if they denounce Zionism based on their hatred of Jews.
Unfortunately, many antisemites are just sane enough to realize that
publicly flaunting their bigotry is still socially unacceptable, so they
hide it under the guise of anti-Zionism. Mike, the person to whom my
reply was directed, doesn't even bother with this subterfuge.
I'm sure you understand.
Well, most bigots I have come across are pretty stewpid and don't even try
to hide it.

Jewcy
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2005-08-28 19:01:24 UTC
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Post by slim
Zionism and Fascism. You forgot those hate-filled institutions.
Well, Zionism, of course, is not in any way what a sane person would
define as "hate-filled".
Tell that to all the Palestinians who have been fucked over for decades
by the Jewish State of Israel.
--
Donald Rumsfeld: "If you're asking if there's a direct
link between 9/11 and Iraq, the answer is no."
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4865948/

On May 01, 2003, President Bush declared that,
"Major combat operations in Iraq have ended."

"I'm the commander -- see, I don't need to explain --
I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the
interesting thing about being the president.
Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they
say something, but I don't feel like I owe anybody
an explanation. "
- George "Dubya" Bush
Jeffrey E. Salzberg
2005-08-28 19:19:19 UTC
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Post by slim
Post by Jeffrey E. Salzberg
Post by slim
Zionism and Fascism. You forgot those hate-filled institutions.
Well, Zionism, of course, is not in any way what a sane person would
define as "hate-filled".
Tell that to all the Palestinians who have been fucked over for decades
by the Jewish State of Israel.
Mike, we realize that you consider the fact that there are still Jews
breathing as "fucking over" the Palestinians.

We also realize that you don't really give a rat's ass about the
Palestinians; they just provide you with a convenient excuse to vent
your hatred of Jews.

So sit still and be quiet; the sane people are having a conversation.
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2005-08-28 23:05:50 UTC
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Post by Jeffrey E. Salzberg
Post by slim
Post by Jeffrey E. Salzberg
Post by slim
Zionism and Fascism. You forgot those hate-filled institutions.
Well, Zionism, of course, is not in any way what a sane person would
define as "hate-filled".
Tell that to all the Palestinians who have been fucked over for decades
by the Jewish State of Israel.
Mike, we realize that you consider the fact that there are still Jews
breathing as "fucking over" the Palestinians.
We also realize that you don't really give a rat's ass about the
Palestinians;
Prove it.

Here's a hint....you can't.
Post by Jeffrey E. Salzberg
So sit still and be quiet; the sane people are having a conversation.
What is with you and your pathetic pathologic obsession with
proving yourself to be (in your own frame of reference) "sane"?
--
Donald Rumsfeld: "If you're asking if there's a direct
link between 9/11 and Iraq, the answer is no."
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4865948/

On May 01, 2003, President Bush declared that,
"Major combat operations in Iraq have ended."

"I'm the commander -- see, I don't need to explain --
I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the
interesting thing about being the president.
Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they
say something, but I don't feel like I owe anybody
an explanation. "
- George "Dubya" Bush
Jewcy
2005-08-28 19:19:54 UTC
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Post by slim
Post by Jeffrey E. Salzberg
Post by slim
Zionism and Fascism. You forgot those hate-filled institutions.
Well, Zionism, of course, is not in any way what a sane person would
define as "hate-filled".
Tell that to all the Palestinians who have been fucked over for decades
by the Jewish State of Israel.
Heh, from what I have read, most of them are imports, and Arab countries
screw them over big time. Israel doesn't do that. What happened to all that
money that was given to the P.L.O.? It wasn't earmarked for Arafats wife.
Such hypocrisy.

Jewcy
Post by slim
Donald Rumsfeld: "If you're asking if there's a direct
link between 9/11 and Iraq, the answer is no."
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4865948/
On May 01, 2003, President Bush declared that,
"Major combat operations in Iraq have ended."
"I'm the commander -- see, I don't need to explain --
I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the
interesting thing about being the president.
Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they
say something, but I don't feel like I owe anybody
an explanation. "
- George "Dubya" Bush
f***@verizon.net
2005-08-28 02:02:04 UTC
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Post by øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton
Would you stop giving false information and take some classes on Judaism
before trying to answer questions.
The last line was sarcasm for the OP.

Susan
Post by øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton
: >
: >
: > >
: > >
: > > > Why do we only hear about them shaving their heads?
: > >
: > > Because Christian nobility used to rape them, so they started
shaving
: > > their heads to make themselves less attractive.
: >
: > So why continue this archaic practice?
: Most don't.
: To others, it's a tradition.
: To still others, it's a reminder that there's still insane hatred, in
: the form of antisemitism.
: --
øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton
2005-08-28 00:28:14 UTC
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Because he gave the wrong information!

It has nothing to do with outsiders! It has to do with 5,000 years of
Eastern (Middle Eastern) tradition.



"slim" <pickin'***@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message news:***@nyc.rr.com...
:
:
: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" wrote:
: >
: > In article <ga3Qe.400$***@trndny09>, ***@thewall.is says...
: >
: > > Why do we only hear about them shaving their heads?
: >
: > Because Christian nobility used to rape them, so they started
shaving
: > their heads to make themselves less attractive.
:
: So why continue this archaic practice?
:
: http://www.pinenet.com/rooster/hasid2.html
:
: Q-11: I have heard that Hasidic women shave their heads on their
wedding
: night. Is this true? If so, why?
:
: Although some (not all) Hasidic woman do shave their heads, this
: practice is not based on a religious commandment, but is a custom
based
: on a number of possible reasons. There
: is no requirement to shave one's head. But, as explained in Question
#4
: above, a woman does start to cover her hair after marriage, and some
: women prefer to keep their hair very
: short, because it is more comfortable under a wig or a scarf.
:
: Regarding the custom (in some groups) to shave the hair on the wedding
: night, this can be traced to two things that got combined. First of
all,
: a woman goes to the mikveh (ritual
: immersion) just before her wedding, and every part of her -- every
: single hair -- must be submerged simutaneously. Naturally, it is
easier
: to do this if the hair is short and cannot
: float on the water.
:
: In addition, there was a time in Europe when the non-Jewish kings or
: other rulers had the right to sleep with any bride in their kingdom on
: her wedding night. This was recently
: dramatized in the Mel Gibson movie, Braveheart, which was set in Old
: Scotland. But it was also true throughout much of Europe, including
the
: Eastern and Baltic areas where
: most Hasidim lived. In many cases, "Prince Charming" was the local
: rapistand not so charming at all.
:
:
: --
:
:
: Donald Rumsfeld: "If you're asking if there's a direct
: link between 9/11 and Iraq, the answer is no."
: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4865948/
:
: On May 01, 2003, President Bush declared that,
: "Major combat operations in Iraq have ended."
:
: "I'm the commander -- see, I don't need to explain --
: I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the
: interesting thing about being the president.
: Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they
: say something, but I don't feel like I owe anybody
: an explanation. "
: - George "Dubya" Bush
slim
2005-08-28 01:47:51 UTC
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Top posting will not be recognized.
--
Donald Rumsfeld: "If you're asking if there's a direct
link between 9/11 and Iraq, the answer is no."
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4865948/

On May 01, 2003, President Bush declared that,
"Major combat operations in Iraq have ended."

"I'm the commander -- see, I don't need to explain --
I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the
interesting thing about being the president.
Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they
say something, but I don't feel like I owe anybody
an explanation. "
- George "Dubya" Bush
øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton
2005-08-28 02:22:25 UTC
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Your NAZI postings will be ignored

*plonk*



"slim" <pickin'***@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message news:***@nyc.rr.com...
:
: Top posting will not be recognized.
:
: --
:
: Donald Rumsfeld: "If you're asking if there's a direct
: link between 9/11 and Iraq, the answer is no."
: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4865948/
:
: On May 01, 2003, President Bush declared that,
: "Major combat operations in Iraq have ended."
:
: "I'm the commander -- see, I don't need to explain --
: I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the
: interesting thing about being the president.
: Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they
: say something, but I don't feel like I owe anybody
: an explanation. "
: - George "Dubya" Bush
slim
2005-08-28 19:00:25 UTC
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Post by øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton
Your NAZI postings will be ignored
*plonk*
Godwin's Law invoked.

Rainman Loses by default.
--
Donald Rumsfeld: "If you're asking if there's a direct
link between 9/11 and Iraq, the answer is no."
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4865948/

On May 01, 2003, President Bush declared that,
"Major combat operations in Iraq have ended."

"I'm the commander -- see, I don't need to explain --
I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the
interesting thing about being the president.
Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they
say something, but I don't feel like I owe anybody
an explanation. "
- George "Dubya" Bush
Jeffrey E. Salzberg
2005-08-28 19:17:09 UTC
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Post by slim
Post by øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton
Your NAZI postings will be ignored
*plonk*
Godwin's Law invoked.
Rainman Loses by default.
As I mentioned earlier, where Godwin fails is in not realizing that some
times there really *are* Nazis.

Like you, Mike.



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2005-08-28 23:03:15 UTC
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Post by Jeffrey E. Salzberg
Post by slim
Post by øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton
Your NAZI postings will be ignored
*plonk*
Godwin's Law invoked.
Rainman Loses by default.
As I mentioned earlier, where Godwin fails is in not realizing that some
times there really *are* Nazis.
Like you, Mike.
My general dislike for the organized religions of western culture
makes me a Nazi? Or is if that I just don't like hypocrites like
yourself?

Any sane person who has read my posts knows that I am no
fan of Big Intrusive Government, ergo, I am not, nor ever
have been a Nazi.
--
Donald Rumsfeld: "If you're asking if there's a direct
link between 9/11 and Iraq, the answer is no."
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4865948/

On May 01, 2003, President Bush declared that,
"Major combat operations in Iraq have ended."

"I'm the commander -- see, I don't need to explain --
I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the
interesting thing about being the president.
Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they
say something, but I don't feel like I owe anybody
an explanation. "
- George "Dubya" Bush
Jeffrey E. Salzberg
2005-08-28 23:23:53 UTC
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Post by slim
Post by Jeffrey E. Salzberg
As I mentioned earlier, where Godwin fails is in not realizing that some
times there really *are* Nazis.
Like you, Mike.
My general dislike for the organized religions of western culture
makes me a Nazi?
No, your antisemitism and the way you're willing to lie and distort in
order to give vent to your hatred of Jews -- that's what makes you a
Nazi.

The way you blame the many for the actions of a few and actively seek
out those few actions -- even if you have to lie about them -- in order
to use them to condemn the many -- *that's what makes you a Nazi.
Post by slim
Or is if that I just don't like hypocrites like
yourself?
Oh, please, cite anything I've posted that would lead a sane, literate
English-speaker to conclude that I'm a hypocrite.

...Or crawl back under your rock, Naziboy.
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2005-08-28 00:27:01 UTC
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Absolutely untrue.

Please before you start to answer a Jew-hating pig with proper facts,
make sure you know the facts first!



"Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <***@volcanomail.com> wrote in message news:***@newsgroups.comcast.net...
: In article <ga3Qe.400$***@trndny09>, ***@thewall.is says...
:
: > Why do we only hear about them shaving their heads?
:
: Because Christian nobility used to rape them, so they started shaving
: their heads to make themselves less attractive.
:
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2005-08-28 00:36:20 UTC
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Absolutely untrue.
Please before you start to answer a Jew-hating pig with proper facts,
make sure you know the facts first!
I did.
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2005-08-28 02:03:01 UTC
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Post by Jeffrey E. Salzberg
Post by øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton
Absolutely untrue.
Please before you start to answer a Jew-hating pig with proper facts,
make sure you know the facts first!
I did.
Whoever told you that either lied or was mistaken.

Susan
øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton
2005-08-28 02:24:39 UTC
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There are some Orthodox Jews who teach this whole thing about rape, etc,
but they are a minority and it is based on folk-lore, not fact, and they
forget all about the sexuality issues surrounding hair in our Hebraic
Heritage long before we even heard of Europe.




<***@verizon.net> wrote in message news:pX8Qe.14678$***@trnddc06...
:
: On 27-Aug-2005, ***@volcanomail.com (Jeffrey E. Salzberg)
wrote:
:
: > In article <0s7Qe.5907$***@bignews3.bellsouth.net>,
: > ***@zion.org.il says...
: > > Absolutely untrue.
: > >
: > > Please before you start to answer a Jew-hating pig with proper
facts,
: > > make sure you know the facts first!
: >
: > I did.
:
: Whoever told you that either lied or was mistaken.
:
: Susan
Jeffrey E. Salzberg
2005-08-28 02:28:05 UTC
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There are some Orthodox Jews who teach this whole thing about rape, etc,
but they are a minority and it is based on folk-lore, not fact,
Oh, so things are untrue just because they're not what *you've* been
taught?
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2005-08-28 08:13:46 UTC
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Post by Jeffrey E. Salzberg
Post by øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton
There are some Orthodox Jews who teach this whole thing about rape, etc,
but they are a minority and it is based on folk-lore, not fact,
Oh, so things are untrue just because they're not what *you've* been
taught?
--
Oh, what a wonderful it is to be so sure of one's rightness and one's
perfection. It used to be said that education was a wonderful thing - but
now I am not sure.

You might have thought that instead of this Yaboo sucks type of exchange the
various participants would actually give chapter and verse for their views
or opinions.

But no, it is just easier to respond by typing in and saying that you or
your teacher was a liar, I am the fount of all knowledge etc etc.

And to add insult to injury, that is what they do - insults and invective
are seen as an alternative for educated exchanges.

Whatever happened to good old difference of opinions? Ever heard of Hillel
and Shamai?

Ollie
øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton
2005-08-28 09:00:36 UTC
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Very good and wise point, Nick!



"Nick" <tulse04-***@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:derrnp$5gl$***@nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
:
: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <***@volcanomail.com> wrote in
message
: news:***@newsgroups.comcast.net...
: > In article <Q99Qe.10962$***@bignews1.bellsouth.net>,
: > ***@zion.org.il says...
: >> There are some Orthodox Jews who teach this whole thing about rape,
etc,
: >> but they are a minority and it is based on folk-lore, not fact,
: >
: > Oh, so things are untrue just because they're not what *you've* been
: > taught?
: > --
:
: Oh, what a wonderful it is to be so sure of one's rightness and one's
: perfection. It used to be said that education was a wonderful thing -
but
: now I am not sure.
:
: You might have thought that instead of this Yaboo sucks type of
exchange the
: various participants would actually give chapter and verse for their
views
: or opinions.
:
: But no, it is just easier to respond by typing in and saying that you
or
: your teacher was a liar, I am the fount of all knowledge etc etc.
:
: And to add insult to injury, that is what they do - insults and
invective
: are seen as an alternative for educated exchanges.
:
: Whatever happened to good old difference of opinions? Ever heard of
Hillel
: and Shamai?
:
: Ollie
:
:
f***@verizon.net
2005-08-28 08:44:35 UTC
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Post by øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton
There are some Orthodox Jews who teach this whole thing about rape, etc,
but they are a minority and it is based on folk-lore, not fact, and they
forget all about the sexuality issues surrounding hair in our Hebraic
Heritage long before we even heard of Europe.
I never heard of such a thing!!

Susan
Clive
2005-08-28 17:48:40 UTC
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Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton
heard of Europe.
I never heard of such a thing!!
Susan
I've heard of Europe and indeed live there, without having to live in
land stolen from an already settled Palestine.
--
Clive
Jeffrey E. Salzberg
2005-08-28 18:15:24 UTC
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Post by Clive
I've heard of Europe and indeed live there, without having to live in
land stolen from an already settled Palestine.
Fortunately, no such lands have been stolen.

...But don't let, y'know, facts get in your way.
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2005-08-28 19:03:46 UTC
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Post by Jeffrey E. Salzberg
Post by Clive
I've heard of Europe and indeed live there, without having to live in
land stolen from an already settled Palestine.
Fortunately, no such lands have been stolen.
You're a typical nitwit who thinks that what you've been told is true
merely because it's what you've been told.
--
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link between 9/11 and Iraq, the answer is no."
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4865948/

On May 01, 2003, President Bush declared that,
"Major combat operations in Iraq have ended."

"I'm the commander -- see, I don't need to explain --
I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the
interesting thing about being the president.
Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they
say something, but I don't feel like I owe anybody
an explanation. "
- George "Dubya" Bush
Clive
2005-08-28 20:07:19 UTC
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Post by Jeffrey E. Salzberg
Post by Clive
I've heard of Europe and indeed live there, without having to live in
land stolen from an already settled Palestine.
Fortunately, no such lands have been stolen.
...But don't let, y'know, facts get in your way.
--
Try telling that to all those Palestinians deposed by so called
"settlers".
--
Clive
f***@verizon.net
2005-08-28 20:31:22 UTC
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Post by Clive
Post by Jeffrey E. Salzberg
Post by Clive
I've heard of Europe and indeed live there, without having to live in
land stolen from an already settled Palestine.
Fortunately, no such lands have been stolen.
...But don't let, y'know, facts get in your way.
--
Try telling that to all those Palestinians deposed by so called
"settlers".
If yo ucan find any outside your imagination and their fantasia, *sure*.

Susan
Clive
2005-08-28 21:10:43 UTC
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Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by Clive
Try telling that to all those Palestinians deposed by so called
"settlers".
If yo ucan find any outside your imagination and their fantasia, *sure*.
Susan
We call it the West Bank in which parts have been illegally annexed for
Jewish "settlers" I believe that the Golan Heights is also Palestinian
land stolen by the Jewish government.
--
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Jeffrey E. Salzberg
2005-08-28 23:00:23 UTC
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Post by Clive
I believe that the Golan Heights is also Palestinian
land stolen by the Jewish government.
I'm sure you do; you seem to believe *many* things which aren't really
true.
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2005-08-28 23:14:20 UTC
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Post by Jeffrey E. Salzberg
Post by Clive
I believe that the Golan Heights is also Palestinian
land stolen by the Jewish government.
I'm sure you do; you seem to believe *many* things which aren't really
true.
Prove me wrong, I'm willing to listen.
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øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton
2005-08-29 01:36:36 UTC
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Prove yourself right, you stupid wee prat.



"Clive" <***@yewbank.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:***@yewbank.demon.co.uk...
: In message <***@newsgroups.comcast.net>,
Jeffrey
: E. Salzberg <***@volcanomail.com> writes
: >> I believe that the Golan Heights is also Palestinian
: >> land stolen by the Jewish government.
: >
: >I'm sure you do; you seem to believe *many* things which aren't
really
: >true.
: Prove me wrong, I'm willing to listen.
: --
: Clive
slim
2005-08-28 23:09:15 UTC
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Post by Clive
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by Clive
Try telling that to all those Palestinians deposed by so called
"settlers".
If yo ucan find any outside your imagination and their fantasia, *sure*.
Susan
We call it the West Bank in which parts have been illegally annexed for
Jewish "settlers" I believe that the Golan Heights is also Palestinian
land stolen by the Jewish government.
Don't confuse them with the truth, Chas.

Any sane person knows that they are, and have, justification
for everything they do. The Goyim just have excuses.
--
Donald Rumsfeld: "If you're asking if there's a direct
link between 9/11 and Iraq, the answer is no."
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4865948/

On May 01, 2003, President Bush declared that,
"Major combat operations in Iraq have ended."

"I'm the commander -- see, I don't need to explain --
I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the
interesting thing about being the president.
Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they
say something, but I don't feel like I owe anybody
an explanation. "
- George "Dubya" Bush
øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton
2005-08-29 01:36:11 UTC
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And you are wrong again.

Why don't you try to learn something and then come back?



"Clive" <***@yewbank.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:***@yewbank.demon.co.uk...
: In message <uapQe.4427$***@trnddc07>, ***@verizon.net writes
: >>Try telling that to all those Palestinians deposed by so called
: >> "settlers".
: >
: >If yo ucan find any outside your imagination and their fantasia,
: >*sure*.
: >
: >Susan
: We call it the West Bank in which parts have been illegally annexed
for
: Jewish "settlers" I believe that the Golan Heights is also Palestinian
: land stolen by the Jewish government.
: --
: Clive
slim
2005-08-28 23:07:44 UTC
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Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by Clive
Post by Jeffrey E. Salzberg
Post by Clive
I've heard of Europe and indeed live there, without having to live in
land stolen from an already settled Palestine.
Fortunately, no such lands have been stolen.
...But don't let, y'know, facts get in your way.
--
Try telling that to all those Palestinians deposed by so called
"settlers".
If yo ucan find any outside your imagination and their fantasia, *sure*.
The infestation has finally been removed.
--
Donald Rumsfeld: "If you're asking if there's a direct
link between 9/11 and Iraq, the answer is no."
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4865948/

On May 01, 2003, President Bush declared that,
"Major combat operations in Iraq have ended."

"I'm the commander -- see, I don't need to explain --
I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the
interesting thing about being the president.
Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they
say something, but I don't feel like I owe anybody
an explanation. "
- George "Dubya" Bush
Clive
2005-08-29 00:05:53 UTC
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In message <***@nyc.rr.com>, slim <pickin'***@nyc.rr.com>
writes
Post by slim
The infestation has finally been removed.
Only from Gaza.
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Jeffrey E. Salzberg
2005-08-29 01:16:15 UTC
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Post by øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton
writes
Post by slim
The infestation has finally been removed.
Only from Gaza.
The Palestinians could have had their second state decades ago -- all
they had to do was to stop murdering Israelis. The fact that they have
refused to do so proves that having a second state was not really their
goal.
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2005-08-29 06:10:44 UTC
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Post by Jeffrey E. Salzberg
The Palestinians could have had their second state decades ago -- all
they had to do was to stop murdering Israelis. The fact that they have
refused to do so proves that having a second state was not really their
goal.
What's that got to do with stealing their land?
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Jeffrey E. Salzberg
2005-08-29 11:19:45 UTC
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Post by Clive
Post by Jeffrey E. Salzberg
The Palestinians could have had their second state decades ago -- all
they had to do was to stop murdering Israelis. The fact that they have
refused to do so proves that having a second state was not really their
goal.
What's that got to do with stealing their land?
Nothing. That's why they didn't steal it.
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2005-08-29 14:26:50 UTC
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Post by Jeffrey E. Salzberg
Post by Clive
Post by Jeffrey E. Salzberg
The Palestinians could have had their second state decades ago -- all
they had to do was to stop murdering Israelis. The fact that they have
refused to do so proves that having a second state was not really their
goal.
What's that got to do with stealing their land?
Nothing. That's why they didn't steal it.
They were JUSTIFIED, right Jeffey?
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link between 9/11 and Iraq, the answer is no."
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4865948/

On May 01, 2003, President Bush declared that,
"Major combat operations in Iraq have ended."

"I'm the commander -- see, I don't need to explain --
I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the
interesting thing about being the president.
Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they
say something, but I don't feel like I owe anybody
an explanation. "
- George "Dubya" Bush
Jeffrey E. Salzberg
2005-08-28 22:59:33 UTC
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Post by Clive
Post by Jeffrey E. Salzberg
Fortunately, no such lands have been stolen.
...But don't let, y'know, facts get in your way.
--
Try telling that to all those Palestinians deposed by so called
"settlers".
The ones who were *really* displaced (which would be damned few or
none), or the ones who were displaced in your fantasies?
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2005-08-28 23:10:14 UTC
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Post by Jeffrey E. Salzberg
Post by Clive
Post by Jeffrey E. Salzberg
Fortunately, no such lands have been stolen.
...But don't let, y'know, facts get in your way.
--
Try telling that to all those Palestinians deposed by so called
"settlers".
The ones who were *really* displaced (which would be damned few or
none), or the ones who were displaced in your fantasies?
How can someone so smart be such a bigoted jackass as to repeat
the same lies time and time again?
--
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link between 9/11 and Iraq, the answer is no."
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4865948/

On May 01, 2003, President Bush declared that,
"Major combat operations in Iraq have ended."

"I'm the commander -- see, I don't need to explain --
I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the
interesting thing about being the president.
Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they
say something, but I don't feel like I owe anybody
an explanation. "
- George "Dubya" Bush
Clive
2005-08-28 23:18:09 UTC
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Post by Jeffrey E. Salzberg
Post by Clive
Try telling that to all those Palestinians deposed by so called
"settlers".
The ones who were *really* displaced (which would be damned few or
none), or the ones who were displaced in your fantasies?
Annexing sovereign land is theft, even if barren and unoccupied, it is
NO more legal.
--
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Jeffrey E. Salzberg
2005-08-28 23:40:31 UTC
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Post by Clive
Annexing sovereign land is theft,
Sovereign land? Belonging to which country? When was the Act of
Annexation passed?
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2005-08-29 00:09:02 UTC
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Post by Jeffrey E. Salzberg
Sovereign land? Belonging to which country? When was the Act of
Annexation passed?
Land belonging to the Palestinians as designated by the U.N. and
illegally annexed by the Jews after the 67 war.
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Jeffrey E. Salzberg
2005-08-29 01:11:05 UTC
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Post by Clive
Post by Jeffrey E. Salzberg
Sovereign land? Belonging to which country? When was the Act of
Annexation passed?
Land belonging to the Palestinians as designated by the U.N. and
illegally annexed by the Jews after the 67 war.
It was occupied -- because prior to 1967 it was being used as a staging
ground for the murders of Israeli civilians. It was never annexed. The
UN does not have the power to grant sovereignty. Indeed, "sovereignty"
can't exist at all without an independent state, and no such state was
ever declared.
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2005-08-29 02:45:14 UTC
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The West Bank and Gaza was annexed before 1967 by Jordan and by Egypt,
against U.N. recognition and International law.




"Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <***@volcanomail.com> wrote in message news:***@newsgroups.comcast.net...
: In article <***@yewbank.demon.co.uk>,
: ***@yewbank.demon.co.uk says...
: > In message <***@newsgroups.comcast.net>,
Jeffrey
: > E. Salzberg <***@volcanomail.com> writes
: > >Sovereign land? Belonging to which country? When was the Act of
: > >Annexation passed?
: > Land belonging to the Palestinians as designated by the U.N. and
: > illegally annexed by the Jews after the 67 war.
:
: It was occupied -- because prior to 1967 it was being used as a
staging
: ground for the murders of Israeli civilians. It was never annexed.
The
: UN does not have the power to grant sovereignty. Indeed,
"sovereignty"
: can't exist at all without an independent state, and no such state was
: ever declared.
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f***@verizon.net
2005-08-29 09:40:09 UTC
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Post by Jeffrey E. Salzberg
Post by Clive
Post by Jeffrey E. Salzberg
Sovereign land? Belonging to which country? When was the Act of
Annexation passed?
Land belonging to the Palestinians as designated by the U.N. and
illegally annexed by the Jews after the 67 war.
It was occupied -- because prior to 1967 it was being used as a staging
ground for the murders of Israeli civilians. It was never annexed. The
UN does not have the power to grant sovereignty. Indeed, "sovereignty"
can't exist at all without an independent state, and no such state was
ever declared.
Gosh, you mean Clive was LYING??
And not just about Israelis but JEWS?
WOW - who'd'a thunk it?

Susan
Jeffrey E. Salzberg
2005-08-29 11:20:35 UTC
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Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by Jeffrey E. Salzberg
It was occupied -- because prior to 1967 it was being used as a staging
ground for the murders of Israeli civilians. It was never annexed. The
UN does not have the power to grant sovereignty. Indeed, "sovereignty"
can't exist at all without an independent state, and no such state was
ever declared.
Gosh, you mean Clive was LYING??
And not just about Israelis but JEWS?
WOW - who'd'a thunk it?
I know. I'm having trouble believing it myself.
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interested in the musings of a thirteen-year-old schoolgirl."
-- Anne Frank, 1942
øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton
2005-08-29 01:37:53 UTC
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Land that was illegally annexed by Jordan and by Egypt!

You fucking fool.




"Clive" <***@yewbank.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:***@yewbank.demon.co.uk...
: In message <***@newsgroups.comcast.net>,
Jeffrey
: E. Salzberg <***@volcanomail.com> writes
: >Sovereign land? Belonging to which country? When was the Act of
: >Annexation passed?
: Land belonging to the Palestinians as designated by the U.N. and
: illegally annexed by the Jews after the 67 war.
: --
: Clive
øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton
2005-08-29 01:37:14 UTC
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Then get the fuck out of Northern Ireland, you thick British cunt.




"Clive" <***@yewbank.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:***@yewbank.demon.co.uk...
: In message <***@newsgroups.comcast.net>,
Jeffrey
: E. Salzberg <***@volcanomail.com> writes
: >>Try telling that to all those Palestinians deposed by so called
: >> "settlers".
: >
: >The ones who were *really* displaced (which would be damned few or
: >none), or the ones who were displaced in your fantasies?
: Annexing sovereign land is theft, even if barren and unoccupied, it is
: NO more legal.
: --
: Clive
øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton
2005-08-29 01:35:33 UTC
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You really are a very ignorant person, how very sad that you are trying
to argue about something you know nothing about.




"Clive" <***@yewbank.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:***@yewbank.demon.co.uk...
: In message <***@newsgroups.comcast.net>,
Jeffrey
: E. Salzberg <***@volcanomail.com> writes
: >> I've heard of Europe and indeed live there, without having to live
in
: >> land stolen from an already settled Palestine.
: >
: >Fortunately, no such lands have been stolen.
: >
: >...But don't let, y'know, facts get in your way.
: >--
: Try telling that to all those Palestinians deposed by so called
: "settlers".
: --
: Clive
Jeffrey E. Salzberg
2005-08-28 02:25:38 UTC
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Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by Jeffrey E. Salzberg
I did.
Whoever told you that either lied or was mistaken.
There's a great deal of literature on the subject supporting it.
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2005-08-28 08:45:41 UTC
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Post by Jeffrey E. Salzberg
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by Jeffrey E. Salzberg
I did.
Whoever told you that either lied or was mistaken.
There's a great deal of literature on the subject supporting it.
Why is it that you seem to be the only one aware of it?

Susan
øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton
2005-08-28 10:27:58 UTC
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It is all there on a few websites --- its quite laughable though.

"The gentiles will not rape our women if they have no hair"

As if that is going to stop violence. When we know rape is violence.

And we know that hair is a sign of beauty and is about intimacy and
being attractive and about love...



<***@verizon.net> wrote in message news:VQeQe.1319$***@trnddc08...
:
: On 27-Aug-2005, ***@volcanomail.com (Jeffrey E. Salzberg)
wrote:
:
: > In article <pX8Qe.14678$***@trnddc06>, ***@verizon.net
says...
: >
: > > > I did.
: > >
: > > Whoever told you that either lied or was mistaken.
: >
: > There's a great deal of literature on the subject supporting it.
:
: Why is it that you seem to be the only one aware of it?
:
: Susan
slim
2005-08-28 18:56:53 UTC
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Post by Jeffrey E. Salzberg
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by Jeffrey E. Salzberg
I did.
Whoever told you that either lied or was mistaken.
There's a great deal of literature on the subject supporting it.
As does Scientology! <snigger>
--
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link between 9/11 and Iraq, the answer is no."
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4865948/

On May 01, 2003, President Bush declared that,
"Major combat operations in Iraq have ended."

"I'm the commander -- see, I don't need to explain --
I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the
interesting thing about being the president.
Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they
say something, but I don't feel like I owe anybody
an explanation. "
- George "Dubya" Bush
slim
2005-08-28 01:49:09 UTC
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Post by øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton
Absolutely untrue.
Please before you start to answer a Jew-hating pig with proper facts,
make sure you know the facts first!
: > Why do we only hear about them shaving their heads?
: Because Christian nobility used to rape them, so they started shaving
: their heads to make themselves less attractive.
Any two SANE Jews should be able to agree, no?

So which one of you is insane, or just a liar?
--
Donald Rumsfeld: "If you're asking if there's a direct
link between 9/11 and Iraq, the answer is no."
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4865948/

On May 01, 2003, President Bush declared that,
"Major combat operations in Iraq have ended."

"I'm the commander -- see, I don't need to explain --
I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the
interesting thing about being the president.
Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they
say something, but I don't feel like I owe anybody
an explanation. "
- George "Dubya" Bush
Jeffrey E. Salzberg
2005-08-28 02:24:27 UTC
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Post by slim
Any two SANE Jews should be able to agree, no?
Why? You're the one who insists that all Jews think alike. No sane
person believes such stereotypes.
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2005-08-28 19:02:00 UTC
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Post by Jeffrey E. Salzberg
Post by slim
Any two SANE Jews should be able to agree, no?
Why? You're the one who insists that all Jews think alike. No sane
person believes such stereotypes.
You're a typical nitwit who thinks that what you've been told is true
merely because it's what you've been told.
--
Donald Rumsfeld: "If you're asking if there's a direct
link between 9/11 and Iraq, the answer is no."
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4865948/

On May 01, 2003, President Bush declared that,
"Major combat operations in Iraq have ended."

"I'm the commander -- see, I don't need to explain --
I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the
interesting thing about being the president.
Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they
say something, but I don't feel like I owe anybody
an explanation. "
- George "Dubya" Bush
f***@verizon.net
2005-08-28 02:01:01 UTC
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Post by Jeffrey E. Salzberg
Post by Moishe Lipshitz
Why do we only hear about them shaving their heads?
Because bigots like thisprevious only listen to the weirdest stuff they can
find about those they hate.
Post by Jeffrey E. Salzberg
Because Christian nobility used to rape them, so they started shaving
their heads to make themselves less attractive.
Interesting, but untrue.
Very few women shave their heads, and if they do, it's more to keep their
wigs fitting better than anything else.

Susan
Post by Jeffrey E. Salzberg
--
slim
2005-08-28 18:57:37 UTC
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Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by Jeffrey E. Salzberg
Post by Moishe Lipshitz
Why do we only hear about them shaving their heads?
Because bigots like thisprevious only listen to the weirdest stuff they can
find about those they hate.
Post by Jeffrey E. Salzberg
Because Christian nobility used to rape them, so they started shaving
their heads to make themselves less attractive.
Interesting, but untrue.
Very few women shave their heads, and if they do, it's more to keep their
wigs fitting better than anything else.
SO WHY WEAR THE WIGS AT ALL?????
--
Donald Rumsfeld: "If you're asking if there's a direct
link between 9/11 and Iraq, the answer is no."
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4865948/

On May 01, 2003, President Bush declared that,
"Major combat operations in Iraq have ended."

"I'm the commander -- see, I don't need to explain --
I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the
interesting thing about being the president.
Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they
say something, but I don't feel like I owe anybody
an explanation. "
- George "Dubya" Bush
mrbrklyn
2005-08-29 04:38:39 UTC
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<<Because Christian nobility used to rape them, so they started shaving
their heads to make themselves less attractive. >>

Boink

Wrong
øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton
2005-08-28 00:33:47 UTC
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http://experts.about.com/q/952/3372774.htm

Expert:miriam
Date:1/28/2004
Subject:Orthodox Rules

Question
What are the rules and reasonings surrounding Orthodox Jewish Women
shaving their heads and/or wearing wigs when they marry?

Thank you very much for your time. This is a sincere question.

Answer
Dear Connie,
hello, how r u? hope this answers ur question. There are different
opinions with orthodox women whether they shave their heads or not. some
women just cut their hair short. The reason for this is when they enter
the Mikva, one's whole body has to be clean...every hair has to be
seperated- no two hairs can be stuck together.
The law (Talmud Ketubot 72a, Shulchan Aruch, Orach Chaim, 75:2) is based
on Bamidbar 5:18, where it is stated that the kohain "reveals the hair
of the [sotah] woman." This is a clear indication that women have always
covered their hair.

Why can't women just wear a keepa?
If the kipa covers all the hair then it is fine. By men, the head
covering is there to remind them of a Higher Being, and therefore, the
kipa serves its purpose even if it does not cover all the hair.
(Incidentally, since women are on a higher spiritual level than men,
they do not need this reminder! Therefore unmarried women and girls do
not wear a kipa).
The women's head-covering is meant to conceal the hair. Therefore if it
does not cover all the hair, it is not accomplishing its objective.

Why don't women cover their hair before marriage?
The verse in Bamidbar is referring to a (sotah) married woman. The fact
that women have to cover their hair is a result of Chava's misleading
Adam, enticing him to eat from the Tree of Knowledge. Therefore only
married women are bound by this rule.
Practically, women's hair is sensuous. Once a woman is married, she
reserves her sensuous side for her husband only. Additionally, once a
woman is married, she must make a special effort not to "advertise" her
sensuality, for the results of a married woman's illegitimate
relationship are much more disastrous than if a single girl were to make
the same mistake.

The Zohar (vol. III p. 126a) elaborates on the many blessings which
Hashem showers upon the woman (and her entire family) who covers her
hair properly.

if u have any more questions regarding this topic, or if u's like any
further details, please feel free to write back, i'm glad to help.
luv miriam







"Moishe Lipshitz" <***@thewall.is> wrote in message news:ga3Qe.400$***@trndny09...
: Why do we only hear about them shaving their heads? What about their
: pussies?
:
:
Clive
2005-08-28 00:47:58 UTC
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Post by øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton
if u have any more questions regarding this topic, or if u's like any
further details, please feel free to write back, i'm glad to help. luv
miriam
Don't forget to take it out of "transport.london.uk."
--
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slim
2005-08-28 01:46:35 UTC
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Post by øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton
http://experts.about.com/q/952/3372774.htm
Expert:miriam
Date:1/28/2004
Subject:Orthodox Rules
Question
What are the rules and reasonings surrounding Orthodox Jewish Women
shaving their heads and/or wearing wigs when they marry?
Thank you very much for your time. This is a sincere question.
Practically, women's hair is sensuous. Once a woman is married, she
reserves her sensuous side for her husband only.
So why wear wigs until death?

This isn't the Dark Ages.
--
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link between 9/11 and Iraq, the answer is no."
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4865948/

On May 01, 2003, President Bush declared that,
"Major combat operations in Iraq have ended."

"I'm the commander -- see, I don't need to explain --
I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the
interesting thing about being the president.
Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they
say something, but I don't feel like I owe anybody
an explanation. "
- George "Dubya" Bush
øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton
2005-08-28 00:37:31 UTC
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasidic_Judaism

Dress
Hasidim are known for their distinctive attire. Within the Hasidic
world, different groups can be distinguished by subtle differences in
appearance.

Hasidim most commonly wear a long black robe called a bekishe with which
they use a gartel (a type of prayer belt). A Hasidic Rebbe on Shabbat
traditionally wears a white or gold bekishe rather than a black one, but
this practice is not universal today. Hasidim customarily wear black
hats during the weekdays. On Shabbat many married Hasidim wear a
shtreimel while the Gerer Hasidim wear a spodik, since the 1950s members
of Chabad have worn fedoras (trilbies in England), even on Shabbat. It
is also common to see Hasidim wearing white socks and/or buckled shoes.
The reasoning behind this is threefold. Firstly, the clothing is very
pious-looking, which is commended among Hasidim. Secondly, this style of
clothing was worn by many Jews in Ukraine two hundred and fifty years
ago, and Hasidim are opposed to any changes to their traditional way of
life and believe that the same applies to the type of clothing they
wear. Thirdly, Hasidim wear distinctive clothing simply to look
different than the general population. The belief is that to be Jewish,
and to feel Jewish, one must look Jewish.

The actual Hasidic styles are not different from the attire of Eastern
European noblemen centuries ago. Hasidim, and other Jews, believe that
one has to look his or her best before God in synagogue.

Hasidic women wear clothing that is less distinctive than their male
counterparts, but answers to the principles of tzeniut (modest dress in
the sense of Jewish law). Long, conservative skirts and sleeves past the
elbow are the rules, but other than that, Hasidic women wear clothing
like other women in the non-Jewish societies in which they live. In some
Hasidic groups, such as Satmar, many married women shave their heads,
and many wear wigs. Other Hasidic groups consider it hypocritical to
wear false hair, so they simply put their hair into nets or kerchiefs
(called "snoods"). Before marriage, the hair is allowed to be uncovered
by all Hasidic groups.

Following a Biblical commandment not to shave the sides of one's face,
male members of some Hasidic groups wear long, uncut sideburns called
payot (Ashkenazic Hebrew payos). Not every Hasidic group requires long
payot, but all groups forbid the cutting of the beard. All Hasidic boys
receive their first haircuts ceremoniously when they are three years
old. Until then, Hasidic boys have long hair. The custom has been
adopted by many non-Hassidic (and even non-Orthodox) Jews.

The white threads that are seen at the waists of Hasidim and other
Orthodox Jews are called tzitzit. The requirement to wear fringes comes
from Numbers. "Speak to the children of Israel, and bid them that they
make them fringes on the borders of their garments throughout their
generations." (Numbers 15:38) By tradition, a Hasidic boy will receive
his first fringed garment on his third birthday, the same day as his
first haircut.


"Moishe Lipshitz" <***@thewall.is> wrote in message news:ga3Qe.400$***@trndny09...
: Why do we only hear about them shaving their heads? What about their
: pussies?
:
:
Clive
2005-08-28 00:50:10 UTC
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Post by øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton
: Why do we only hear about them shaving their heads? What about their
: pussies?
As London is no where near Palestine or even Israel, please confine you
posting to the correct groups.
--
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øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton
2005-08-28 02:25:38 UTC
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Since I did not originate the post, I will reply to the all the groups
to give the correct answers to the lies and the hate-mongering.



"Clive" <***@yewbank.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:***@yewbank.demon.co.uk...
: In message <PB7Qe.5911$***@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, øéòéï
: áøúåïý/Riain Barton <***@zion.org.il> writes
: >"Moishe Lipshitz" <***@thewall.is> wrote in message
: >news:ga3Qe.400$***@trndny09...
: >: Why do we only hear about them shaving their heads? What about
their
: >: pussies?
: As London is no where near Palestine or even Israel, please confine
you
: posting to the correct groups.
: --
: Clive
Stuart
2005-08-28 10:02:41 UTC
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Post by øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton
Since I did not originate the post, I will reply to the all the groups
to give the correct answers to the lies and the hate-mongering.
No, please just reply to those groups relevant.

Don't worry, those of us on the non-relevant groups probably don't care
about/haven't read/don't understand, the 'lies and hate-mongering'
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2005-08-28 02:04:56 UTC
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And stay killfiled, loser.
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